Pointless discussion for the cruise
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Pointless discussion for the cruise
There you are at FL370, fed and watered, with a couple of hours to go to ToD when a flying insect wakes itself up and gets airborne from somewhere forward of the pedals ...
Does this creature contribute to the all-up weight of the aircraft whilst it is flying (within the aircraft), or only when it alights on something?
Does this creature contribute to the all-up weight of the aircraft whilst it is flying (within the aircraft), or only when it alights on something?
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Of course it counts, just as the weight of the air on board the aircraft counts (about 1 tonne on a B747 iirc).
You must have short cruise segments if that keeps you occupied
You must have short cruise segments if that keeps you occupied
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They did the experiment on Mythbusters but using birds flying around inside a truck.
When the birds were flying they imparted the downforce on the air that pushed down on the truck, so there was no change in weight.
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When the birds were flying they imparted the downforce on the air that pushed down on the truck, so there was no change in weight.
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You must have short cruise segments if that keeps you occupied
‘aircraft’ means any machine that can derive support in the atmosphere from the reactions of the air other than the reactions of the air against the earth’s surface.
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1. Your flying around with 300 POB. Suddenley a pax dies of a heart attack. Are you required to then revise your POB to 299?
2. Enroute over a ocean ETOPS with a full pax load. A woman gives birth prematurly on board. Paxing doctor says the tiny kid is alive and doing well and can easiley withstand the remaining 3 hours to destination. But the additional baby now exceeds the number of child life vests and cots available. Nearest airport is 2 hours from PPOS off track. Continue or divert?
3. Through a series of personal misfortunes a fit and strong pax is on top of the wing of a heavy departing 747. He lies head down and holds on to the vortex generators for dear life during the take-off. V2 is 170kt, enroute climb 320kt to FL310. He will either fall off the wing from increasing airspeed or die from cold and lack of oxygen (and then fall off). Which will occur first?
4. Enroute over the ocean with 6 hours to go. Using only 3 HF calls how do you start World War III?
2. Enroute over a ocean ETOPS with a full pax load. A woman gives birth prematurly on board. Paxing doctor says the tiny kid is alive and doing well and can easiley withstand the remaining 3 hours to destination. But the additional baby now exceeds the number of child life vests and cots available. Nearest airport is 2 hours from PPOS off track. Continue or divert?
3. Through a series of personal misfortunes a fit and strong pax is on top of the wing of a heavy departing 747. He lies head down and holds on to the vortex generators for dear life during the take-off. V2 is 170kt, enroute climb 320kt to FL310. He will either fall off the wing from increasing airspeed or die from cold and lack of oxygen (and then fall off). Which will occur first?
4. Enroute over the ocean with 6 hours to go. Using only 3 HF calls how do you start World War III?
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1. Is it inherently dangerous to have a flying insect in the cockpit at FL350?
2. Shall we order F/A to cockpit with insect spray. Don oxy masks and give it a go with the spray.
3. What are the implications of spraying insect spray in the cockpit with all gizmos on? Fire? Smoke?
4. How fast will the fits from a Malaria fever set in? Could it incapacitate the cockpit crew?
5. What family of insect? Precise name in latin?
6. Shall we make a speech and look if a biologist specializing in insects is on board?
2. Shall we order F/A to cockpit with insect spray. Don oxy masks and give it a go with the spray.
3. What are the implications of spraying insect spray in the cockpit with all gizmos on? Fire? Smoke?
4. How fast will the fits from a Malaria fever set in? Could it incapacitate the cockpit crew?
5. What family of insect? Precise name in latin?
6. Shall we make a speech and look if a biologist specializing in insects is on board?
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What does 'POB' formally stand for? "People on board"?
If so, it doesn't say whether they are alive or dead, so your POB remains at 300.
Leads to another question... if you have a coffin in the hold with a body being repatriated for burial, do you have to include that in the 'POB' count?
And if you use that other quaint term 'SOB' ("Souls on Board"), what happens to the soul when the pax dies? Can you be sure it's left the aircraft? Or might it hang on to stay near to the body and not leave until later?
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Leads to another question... if you have a coffin in the hold with a body being repatriated for burial, do you have to include that in the 'POB' count?
4. Enroute over the ocean with 6 hours to go. Using only 3 HF calls how do you start World War III?
If you want to pursue a really pointless discussion you could always talk about the chances that the job of flying airplanes will ever return to it's former glory 
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g-u-y, pronounced guy. He probably walked with a l-i-m-p, pronounced limp.
Sorry Spike.
This thread is getting silly . . . you'll be really welcome down in Jet Blast.
Sorry Spike.
This thread is getting silly . . . you'll be really welcome down in Jet Blast.
1. Your flying around with 300 POB. Suddenley a pax dies of a heart attack. Are you required to then revise your POB to 299?
2. Enroute over a ocean ETOPS with a full pax load. A woman gives birth prematurly on board. Paxing doctor says the tiny kid is alive and doing well and can easiley withstand the remaining 3 hours to destination. But the additional baby now exceeds the number of child life vests and cots available. Nearest airport is 2 hours from PPOS off track. Continue or divert?
3. Through a series of personal misfortunes a fit and strong pax is on top of the wing of a heavy departing 747. He lies head down and holds on to the vortex generators for dear life during the take-off. V2 is 170kt, enroute climb 320kt to FL310. He will either fall off the wing from increasing airspeed or die from cold and lack of oxygen (and then fall off). Which will occur first?
4. Enroute over the ocean with 6 hours to go. Using only 3 HF calls how do you start World War III?
2. Enroute over a ocean ETOPS with a full pax load. A woman gives birth prematurly on board. Paxing doctor says the tiny kid is alive and doing well and can easiley withstand the remaining 3 hours to destination. But the additional baby now exceeds the number of child life vests and cots available. Nearest airport is 2 hours from PPOS off track. Continue or divert?
3. Through a series of personal misfortunes a fit and strong pax is on top of the wing of a heavy departing 747. He lies head down and holds on to the vortex generators for dear life during the take-off. V2 is 170kt, enroute climb 320kt to FL310. He will either fall off the wing from increasing airspeed or die from cold and lack of oxygen (and then fall off). Which will occur first?
4. Enroute over the ocean with 6 hours to go. Using only 3 HF calls how do you start World War III?
Excellent! Love your work.
Another good one ...
You're right on maximum ramp weight for departure - should you allow the extra ground crew on board and thus exceed max ramp weight?
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In the 19th century some bright spark set out to prove that the soul existed. So he weighed people just about to die and then immediatley after and found that their weight fell by a quarter of an ounce! Therefore in the case of the cardiac death should you reduce the ZFW to allow for this weight loss?
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Last edited by Nick Thomas; 20th Aug 2010 at 00:38. Reason: punctuation
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I seem to remember that the experimental results were declared void by the finding that their underpants had increased in weight.