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So how does a siphon really work?

Old 21st May 2010 | 16:43
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simple derivation

P =F/A and F=mg,....the mass of the column of liquid is ρ*Volume and
Volume = Ah

so, F =mg =
ρAgh then pressure at the base of the column = F/A =ρAgh/A = ρgh


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Old 23rd May 2010 | 18:00
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The Physicist was Stephen Hughes. One of his papers is here...

http://eprints.qut.edu.au/31098/8/31098a.pdf

Some of it was a total surprise to me. Here is an extract...

Another seeming ubiquitous misconception is that the maximum height of a siphon is dependent on atmospheric pressure. The maximum height of a water siphon actually depends on the tensile strength of water – i.e. the maximum weight that hydrogen bonds are able to support.

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Old 23rd May 2010 | 20:21
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I suppose

you realise that without an atmosphere you wouldn't have liquid water and without gravity you wouldn't have pressure (because there would be no atmosphere ).
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Old 23rd May 2010 | 21:14
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Old 23rd May 2010 | 21:28
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My brain hurts... goodnight all... and thank you...
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Old 24th May 2010 | 05:07
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Fluid moving via Siphon = gravity. Fluid moving via Vacuum = PRESSURE. Basic physics.
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