Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Tech Log
Reload this Page >

Soft Altitude


Notices
Tech Log The very best in practical technical discussion on the web

Soft Altitude

Old 7th July 2009 | 08:59
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
From: FL370
Soft Altitude

if you have the following on the FMA (SPEED | ALTCRZ) at FL240 is the soft altitude mode engaged or it has to be MACH | ALCRZ becasue I read some where that for the soft altitude to be engaged the aircraft must be flying at MACH,so what is the correct answer?
Flyman35 is offline  
Reply
Old 7th July 2009 | 09:38
  #2 (permalink)  
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,061
Likes: 20
From: My views - Not my employer!
Soft alt only with mach. FCOM 1.22.30 AP/FD vertical modes under the heading Soft altitude refers.
Cough is offline  
Reply
Old 7th July 2009 | 20:18
  #3 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
From: FL370
thanks a lot.
Flyman35 is offline  
Reply
Old 12th July 2009 | 11:16
  #4 (permalink)  
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,061
Likes: 20
From: My views - Not my employer!
Jimmy,

I don't know what your pic proves. Yup, alt crz engages at any altitude, but soft alt only with a mach mode.

The quote from FCOM

On reaching the planned cruise altitude, ALT CRZ engages and A/THR maintains the speed/mach target.

Two minutes after ALT CRZ engages, if the mach mode is operative, SOFT ALT mode engages. This allows the aircraft to deviate ± 50 feet from the target altitude, thereby minimizing thrust variations and reducing fuel consumption.
Cough is offline  
Reply
Old 12th July 2009 | 11:39
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 157
Likes: 0
From: Gone to my "Happy Place".
Lesson learned... RTFQ

Focused on the Mode, and missed the "Soft Alt" part of the question.

Thanks for being gentle. You're completely correct. Now going to...

Cheers
Jimmy Do Little is offline  
Reply
Old 12th July 2009 | 19:51
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
From: Herefordshire
Soft Alt

With the introduction of RVSM airspace, 'soft' altitude has mostly been replaced with 'soft' or 'lazy' autothrottle speed control, for obvious reasons. Both modes are essentially for saving fuel, and they do. Keeping the engines 'purring' at a constant speed is much better than having them 'hunting' to maintain a set airspeed/Mach number. 'Soft' altitude would allow the aircraft a certain 'lattitude' in pitch to either speed up or slow down without the engines having to do the same. It was removed in RVSM aircraft and now the aircraft is allowed to speed up and slow down but not climb or decend.

Rgs.

Bob.
On-MarkBob is offline  
Reply
Old 15th July 2009 | 17:13
  #7 (permalink)  

Only half a speed-brake
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 4,459
Likes: 136
From: Commuting not home
OMB: I must say that I cannot find any FCOM reference tu support your conclusion. Perhaps the vertical limits fo soft mode had been narrowed down to 50 ft in order to adhere to RVSM parametres?

FD (the un-real)
FlightDetent is offline  
Reply

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.