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Old 18th May 2009, 14:35
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Question Radio station license expired

The other day found a radio station license expired..
According to the new regs Jar ops M Subpart 1?
Dont see how you can have an Radio station license expired and say the aircraft is airworthy ?
Anyone care to comment ? Thanks
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Jar ops M-



The airworthiness certificate and the radio station license are permanent and has not any due date according with the new rules in force JAROPS Msubpart Part I).


The only document to renew annually is the ARC (airworthiness review certificate). This is the only document that must be renewed and ,be in force.

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The renewal of the certificate of airworthiness issued by the OPERATOR
C~~O + implies full airworthiness of the aircraft.



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The radio station licence for aircraft is defined in ICAO Annex 10 where all contracting states have to convert into their own national law.

EASA has not legislated (yet) concerning the radio station licence but one of the ICAO requirements says that "the licences should be issued on a regular renewal basis". From my knowledge this period is usually two years for most CAA's.

The radio licence is not an airworthiness document however for almost every aircraft its absence or expiration has practically the same effect since it means the aircraft cannot be used as a radio station therefore it cannot fly using radio communications.

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Radio Licensing is not a responsibility of the airworthiness authority. Control of radio transmission predates aviation by several years and the various controlling bodies guard their authority quite jealously. In UK, the CAA distribute the telecommunications licence forms on behalf of OfCom but do not have any authority on the issue of the licence: OfCom are the licensing authority under the Wireless Telegraphy Act. In the USA the licensing authority is the FCC. Other countries also have their own responsible bodies, quite separate from the airworthiness authority.

filalb has it right, without a licensed radio station the aircraft is not authorised to transmit or receive so it isn't legally permissible for it to fly.

Incidentally, you need a Radio Operator's Licence to operate a licensed radio communications station, a fact that many (if not most) licensed aircraft engineers or FAA A&P mechanics are unaware of or choose to ignore.
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filalb has it right, without a licensed radio station the aircraft is not authorised to transmit or receive so it isn't legally permissible for it to fly.
Yup, for a public transport aircraft, certainly correct.
The US FCC issues the radio station license for all US registered aircraft, and that license is good for ten years.
For GA aircraft, flying domestically in the USA, a radio station license is not required.
Internationally?
Yup, sure is.
I just paid $75 for mine.
Good for ten years.
How long did it take to issue same?
Two business days, received in the mail, after applying online.

The FCC is switched on, big time.
My tax dollars at work....
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It's just more bureaucracy; Has an applicant for an aircraft radio station license ever been turned down, for ANY reason?
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Documents to be carried - OPS 1: Commercial air transportation (aeroplanes)

Documents to be carried
(a) An operator shall ensure that the following documents or copies thereof are carried on each flight:
1. the Certificate of Registration;
2. the Certificate of Airworthiness;
3. the original or a copy of the Noise Certificate (if applicable), including an English translation, where one has been provided by the Authority responsible for issuing the noise certificate;
4. the original or a copy of the Air Operator Certificate;
5. the Aircraft Radio Licence; and
6. the original or a copy of the Third Party Liability Insurance Certificate(s).

The above is from (EU) OPS 1.125. You need a valid radio license. The period of validity of the license is up to your national authority.
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"..without a licensed radio station the aircraft is not authorised to transmit or receive so it isn't legally permissible for it to fly."

FWIW, you can legally receive without a station license. And you don't need to transmit when there is no tower in operation and you stay out of airspace requiring clearance.

BTW, DMEs, transponders and Wx radars have transmitters, and their frequencies/bands are on the typical station license.

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Shouldn't a valid Radio station licence be one of the many preconditions for issue of CofA.
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Fly into KOSH (Oshkosh, WI) during AirVenture, and you'll maintain radio silence. Tower transmits on a 90-100% duty cycle, you just listen and follow directions. "Yellow Stearman on downwind, rock your wings if you read me. Red low-wing on short final, land to the LEFT of the centerline. Turn off in the grass as soon as you're able...." Who needs to transmit??
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