accsses code to the flight deck
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hi again, somebody knows how frequent the access code should be changed and where do I can have this information?
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Hasn't been changed in years in my company. Just how seriously do you suppose this is taken? (Whereas personal passwords to access our own rosters, e-mail & flight planning are religiously changed every 3 mths...)
Everyone knows the bulletproof door is merely a sop for politicians to pretend they've done something. It has no bearing on safety, security or anything else that is practical, except to make CRM far harder, and just be a bloody nuisance to everyone except terrorists.
Pure pointless political pretence.
Everyone knows the bulletproof door is merely a sop for politicians to pretend they've done something. It has no bearing on safety, security or anything else that is practical, except to make CRM far harder, and just be a bloody nuisance to everyone except terrorists.
Pure pointless political pretence.
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Now come on lads, we know the door works for security, that why the poor ******** on the Turkish B737 were not rescued from the flight deck straight away.
I agree pampering to the muppets in power that's all it was, just stop people with blades and guns getting on the a/c in the first place, like most of Europe had been doing years before 911.
I agree pampering to the muppets in power that's all it was, just stop people with blades and guns getting on the a/c in the first place, like most of Europe had been doing years before 911.
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Access code, what access code?
The BAe146, at least in Australia has no access code, no key access, and unless the wiring has been changed since I last flew one (2005), if the one electrical bus that powers the door release mechanism is un-powered, as when on emergency power, the door can't be opened except by one of the pilots leaving their seat, assuming they're not incapacitated, and opening it from the flight deck side.
The BAe146, at least in Australia has no access code, no key access, and unless the wiring has been changed since I last flew one (2005), if the one electrical bus that powers the door release mechanism is un-powered, as when on emergency power, the door can't be opened except by one of the pilots leaving their seat, assuming they're not incapacitated, and opening it from the flight deck side.
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hehehe, what I mean is if this codes need to be change a time to time or is always the same, because what happen if you have always the same code some day that will no be a secret so.... I don't know if the codes are change under company rules or is some international rule.
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One should be more worried about the armed guards on the pax side of the door - at least the pilots will be safe when one of these gun toting security men goes postal....
Moderators, please remove this thread.
Whilst it contains only very limited Security Sensitive information, posting on these topics is a 'slippery slope' and in my opinion irresponsible. Any professional aviator would refer these sorts of questions to their airline security department not a public forum.
Whilst it contains only very limited Security Sensitive information, posting on these topics is a 'slippery slope' and in my opinion irresponsible. Any professional aviator would refer these sorts of questions to their airline security department not a public forum.
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I find this thread VERY disturbing.
Those of us in the industry who NEED TO KNOW do know of certain chinks in the armour of aircraft security. Only THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE of posters would discuss these on a public forum. If I were one of the "bad guys", already I have learned something on this thread.
We may bitch and whine about some of the silly security procedures (and some of them are silly), but at the end of the day, the cockpit door IS THE LAST LINE OF DEFENCE!!!!!
MODERATORS, PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD WITH THE UTMOST HASTE!!!!!
Angry and very pi$$ed off,
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Those of us in the industry who NEED TO KNOW do know of certain chinks in the armour of aircraft security. Only THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE of posters would discuss these on a public forum. If I were one of the "bad guys", already I have learned something on this thread.
We may bitch and whine about some of the silly security procedures (and some of them are silly), but at the end of the day, the cockpit door IS THE LAST LINE OF DEFENCE!!!!!
MODERATORS, PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD WITH THE UTMOST HASTE!!!!!
Angry and very pi$$ed off,
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Just try to type in the code, one of the crew will gentle push you head against (the still closed) door and put handcuffs on you.
Upon arrival you will be escorted by the police.
THIS IS SOMETHING WICH SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSED!
Upon arrival you will be escorted by the police.
THIS IS SOMETHING WICH SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSED!
... go figure.
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It all depends on what you understand the question to be.
If the poster is asking whether there is a regular process to change the codes, then that's not a security risk if you don't tell him the codes (old and new) or the exact dates of changeovers. His follow up question, on that assumption, is for someone to tell him where this process is mandated in official documentation. Maybe he works for a company that doesn't have the resources or departments to manage these things. Or maybe he doesn't work in a country which is as enamoured with Health and Safety and Security as much as we seem to be in the UK and the US (in which case he is very lucky indeed !).
If you interpret his question as asking for the codes, when they change, what the new one will be, etc, etc, then you have identified a risk and it would be dealt with.
As PPRuNe is an international Forum, not everyone will have the standard of English held by a native speaker. Some will probably have a higher standard
With that in mind, it is important to try to understand what is being asked rather than what you think is being asked, before having a rant.
Maybe Toby320 can clarify what he wants to know and why before the handwringing gets out of hand. If he wants something that is actually a risk, then the appropriate action would be taken on that basis.
If the poster is asking whether there is a regular process to change the codes, then that's not a security risk if you don't tell him the codes (old and new) or the exact dates of changeovers. His follow up question, on that assumption, is for someone to tell him where this process is mandated in official documentation. Maybe he works for a company that doesn't have the resources or departments to manage these things. Or maybe he doesn't work in a country which is as enamoured with Health and Safety and Security as much as we seem to be in the UK and the US (in which case he is very lucky indeed !).
If you interpret his question as asking for the codes, when they change, what the new one will be, etc, etc, then you have identified a risk and it would be dealt with.
As PPRuNe is an international Forum, not everyone will have the standard of English held by a native speaker. Some will probably have a higher standard
With that in mind, it is important to try to understand what is being asked rather than what you think is being asked, before having a rant.Maybe Toby320 can clarify what he wants to know and why before the handwringing gets out of hand. If he wants something that is actually a risk, then the appropriate action would be taken on that basis.
It hardly matters in any case, as the "code" doesn't open the door. The "code" sends a request through to the pilots, who then check the area, and the reason for the code being entered, before they decide whether or not to open the door.
The "code" is only of any other use if both pilots are incapacitated - in which case you have more to worry about than who knows the code. If fact in that case, regularly changing the code would have an adverse safety impact - the people who need to know it may not remember the last change!
The "code" is only of any other use if both pilots are incapacitated - in which case you have more to worry about than who knows the code. If fact in that case, regularly changing the code would have an adverse safety impact - the people who need to know it may not remember the last change!
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t hardly matters in any case, as the "code" doesn't open the door. The "code" sends a request through to the pilots, who then check the area, and the reason for the code being entered, before they decide whether or not to open the door.
Look I pretty much agree with this - and what the mod said - and I pretty much think the whole security thing is a joke - but playing the devils advocate here - assuming you were a terrorist wanna be - and you thought you could just come here and ask for a code or when the relevant changes are - of course the info would/shouldnt be released - but its all the little bits of info which get released which seem irrelevant - which may add up in the end.
ie wannabe terrorist now knows from the above post that he can no longer just enter code and get in - he knows possibly what the procedure is etc etc......
(And no doubt I am probably guilty myself of releasing some tidbit)
The point is, it would probably be better to delete this thread.
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Relax! The whole point of the system, as Checkboard says, is that it is 'fail-safe' in the event of such codes being compromised. Whilst I hope no-one would deliberately erode this final layer of security, it is just that: a layer. For terrorists to compromise the F/D through 'knowing' the codes an lot of unrelated failures have to have occurred, from the failure of government intelligence to the failure of F/D crew to follow SOPs. Whilst not impossible, please do not lose sleep over these things.
Frantic hyperbole about SECURITY SENSITIVE info and panicked requests to PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD show that some people really have been frightened by the political rhetoric of the last 8 years. Before 11/9 I used to have passengers visit the flight deck during flights and stay in during TO and/or LDG. So there weren't nutters about then? (we know there were - FedEx). The fact is the risk is very, very small. Keep things in perspective and the paranoia to a minimum.
Sleep easy!
Frantic hyperbole about SECURITY SENSITIVE info and panicked requests to PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD show that some people really have been frightened by the political rhetoric of the last 8 years. Before 11/9 I used to have passengers visit the flight deck during flights and stay in during TO and/or LDG. So there weren't nutters about then? (we know there were - FedEx). The fact is the risk is very, very small. Keep things in perspective and the paranoia to a minimum.
Sleep easy!