733 FMC failure
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From: Gatwick
Yes, this was one they were giving in out command upgrade sims and it did trip a candidate I know up.
I think the old adage 'Fly the aircraft' springs to mind, the 737 dosen't turn into a pumpkin because the FMC fails but it's pretty disorientating when all these amber flags on the ND appear and you're back to pitch and power like a -200.
In our command upgrade, the airport was using RNAV SIDs, and in one of the little notes that most people brush over is 'In the event of RNAV failure, advise approach immediately' or words to that effect. Sure advise ATC, if you start flying all over the sky, they will start asking questions putting you under more pressure, advise them and request radar climb out, and go back to flying the aircraft. Clean up and run through the QRH. DODAR.
You can still continue under vectors or ground based navaids. You can do a CAT III with no FMC. I don't see any urgency in returning to the airport of departure, as you're gonna have to set everything manually, so why not at destination AD than departure. Obviously, it does depend on where your flying to duration, ATC etc.
MK
I think the old adage 'Fly the aircraft' springs to mind, the 737 dosen't turn into a pumpkin because the FMC fails but it's pretty disorientating when all these amber flags on the ND appear and you're back to pitch and power like a -200.
In our command upgrade, the airport was using RNAV SIDs, and in one of the little notes that most people brush over is 'In the event of RNAV failure, advise approach immediately' or words to that effect. Sure advise ATC, if you start flying all over the sky, they will start asking questions putting you under more pressure, advise them and request radar climb out, and go back to flying the aircraft. Clean up and run through the QRH. DODAR.
You can still continue under vectors or ground based navaids. You can do a CAT III with no FMC. I don't see any urgency in returning to the airport of departure, as you're gonna have to set everything manually, so why not at destination AD than departure. Obviously, it does depend on where your flying to duration, ATC etc.
MK
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Absolutely true of course. It is a major pita and takes quite a bit of time. Especially if it is not a domestic flight, crossing borders is nearly impossible in europe without working BRNAV. However there still is a slim chance you might make the flight. Of course never leave your base with any problems like that, but to get back to base it is usefull.
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From: southampton
Thanks very much for the replies. I note the QRH does'nt say much except for saying "Resume convential navigation and use the manual N1 knobs "
I presume you are going to have to go to the QRH also for Vref speeds and GA N1 etc.
I presume you are going to have to go to the QRH also for Vref speeds and GA N1 etc.
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As long as the IRS's are working and providing information to the FCC's and symbol generators for the glass, and amps for the hard balls, you revert to VOR/NDB (radio) aid navigation. You can even you radar vectors too.
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From: Europe
If you lose one FMC,initially fly with Heading select and conventional radials to follow then engage opposite side autopilot and LNAV/VNAN will be available again...if you lose both FMCs..well unable BRNAV..
You will have to get speeds from actual grossweight.(QRH)( T/o fuel - burnt fuel) since fmc gets input from the fuel summation unit..
You will have to get speeds from actual grossweight.(QRH)( T/o fuel - burnt fuel) since fmc gets input from the fuel summation unit..
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Would you not be able to fly <FL290 i.e. non RVSM and fly beacon routes? As someone said, just like the old days. There are plenty of non RNAV & BRNAV a/c flitting around the blue yonder. It's only a computer that makes life easier. It is not a 'must have', but a 'nice to have'.
There was case a few years ago, before the extensive use of RNAV & BRNAV, when an EFIS IRS FMC a/c took off from a northern London airfield to fly to a N.W England airfield on a clear day. VNAV, LNAV, A/T would not engage. I suspect the FMC had gone on holiday. The capatin returned to departure airfield with his 'broken' a/c. Chief pilot asked, "why?" Quite right too.
There was case a few years ago, before the extensive use of RNAV & BRNAV, when an EFIS IRS FMC a/c took off from a northern London airfield to fly to a N.W England airfield on a clear day. VNAV, LNAV, A/T would not engage. I suspect the FMC had gone on holiday. The capatin returned to departure airfield with his 'broken' a/c. Chief pilot asked, "why?" Quite right too.
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From: UK
Would you not be able to fly <FL290
. On that occasion I 'helped ' the poor besieged BA manager and came back in stealth mode lying like a cheap Japanese watch, as they say.................Anyway, back to the poor OP - yes, into the QRH and behave like a real pilot! It is actually quite enjoyable.
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Now then...RVSM is one thing all to do with height keeping and is not affected at all by the lack of an FMC...BRNAV is all to do with NAV and so is very affected by the lack of an FMC...
Top tips - Always know the power setting for the next phase of flight (approach - think G/A). Does the EGPWS terrain function need to be inhibited? Tell someone (ATC) if its going to help but shuddup if its going to hinder. Final tip - LOOK OUT OF THE WINDOW! It will of course just confirm that you are exactly where you expect to be!
BOAC - I am not going to say anything.....
Top tips - Always know the power setting for the next phase of flight (approach - think G/A). Does the EGPWS terrain function need to be inhibited? Tell someone (ATC) if its going to help but shuddup if its going to hinder. Final tip - LOOK OUT OF THE WINDOW! It will of course just confirm that you are exactly where you expect to be!
BOAC - I am not going to say anything.....
