ATR on a 850m runway?
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ATR on a 850m runway?
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I wonder if an ATR 42 or 72 can answer if itīs possible for an ATR 72-2/500 (or 42-3/500 to take-off and land at a 850m runway in a cold weather. And for a 30-45min flight?
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//Daniel
I wonder if an ATR 42 or 72 can answer if itīs possible for an ATR 72-2/500 (or 42-3/500 to take-off and land at a 850m runway in a cold weather. And for a 30-45min flight?
Thanks,
//Daniel
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It'll do it. Maybe not full. My local airport's runway is 1,200m and the ATR 72-500 (full) takes off about two-thirds of the way down on the roll for a 45 minute flight.
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seen someone drop a kingair on a 490m runway before that was impressive.
The ATR is an exceptional aircraft! Wonder what the TODR is for it on a good day??
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The ATR is an exceptional aircraft! Wonder what the TODR is for it on a good day??
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950m
i know a runway in Philippines, caticlan, 950 m long with obstacle on take off, and every day cebu pacificair atr 72 500 land with 70 pax and take off with 40 pax isa +15°
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An ATR72-500 once landed in Corvo (Azores), on a test flight to SATA.
LPCR (Corvo) - 2600 ft long
It is a small island with less than 500 habitants, so it wouldn't carry many pax on this route. SATA eventualy chose the Q200.
YouTube - Aterragem de ATR 72-500 na Ilha do Corvo
LPCR (Corvo) - 2600 ft long
It is a small island with less than 500 habitants, so it wouldn't carry many pax on this route. SATA eventualy chose the Q200.
YouTube - Aterragem de ATR 72-500 na Ilha do Corvo
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I think the only dash in production now is the Dash 8-Q400. And SATA went for the Dash 8-Q400 instead of the ATR 72-500. So I think SATA will continue to use the Do-228 to Corvo.
EDIT: Just saw that they will have 2-3 Dash 8-Q200 too.
EDIT: Just saw that they will have 2-3 Dash 8-Q200 too.
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Not sure about an 850m runway, but this Photos: ATR ATR-42-300(QC) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net is an Atlantic ATR42-300 doing short-field practice on Wellesbourne's 917m-long runway 18. http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/cu..._2_EGBW_en.pdf It works -and it's not even a 500-series ATR.
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Ok I can run some numbers on these airports.
They are not in out database (Don't fly there) do you have the obstacle information for each runway?
At the first airport you mention it appears that the runway slop would exceed the allowed limit as it has a 2.39% slope.
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Do you know of some ATR 72-212A (PW127F) that are using this airport? that is the only aircraft I can run the numbers for.
They are not in out database (Don't fly there) do you have the obstacle information for each runway?
At the first airport you mention it appears that the runway slop would exceed the allowed limit as it has a 2.39% slope.
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Do you know of some ATR 72-212A (PW127F) that are using this airport? that is the only aircraft I can run the numbers for.
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Air Wales operated out of PLH to Cork and Dublin both 1 hr sectors but payload restricted to about 40 pax off a 1,000m runway with ATR 42-300. For a full load we only planned 30mins to CWL
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I wonder if an ATR 42 or 72 can answer if itīs possible
possible for an ATR 72-2/500 (or 42-3/500 to take-off and land at a 850m runway in a cold weather.
Check out this document, you will find out all info you want to know about
ATR operations in freeeeeeezing cold weather....
I don't think ATR have any freeware performance documents for their aircraft
on the net.
And for a 30-45min flight?
What is your flight time? Contaminated runway or not?
Many many factors...But as i newly said to you, ATR what i know doesn't have
any free for sharing performance diagrams.
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I think you can understand I meant a ATR PILOT... But yes, if you look at the another thread about the fuel burn for ATR you will find the answer. Itīs around 640kg/h. For BOTH ATR 42 and 72.
Alternate airport is (with a long runway), Ålseund-Vigra Airport...
Alternate airport is (with a long runway), Ålseund-Vigra Airport...
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Itīs around 640kg/h. For BOTH ATR 42 and 72.
Distance: 350 km, 1 h flight time.
JAR Fuel Policy are following.
5% En Route Time: 0,05h= 3 min
Alternate Airport is ENTO: 0,25h=15 min
Final Reserve Fuel: 0,5h= 30 min.
Total Trip Time: 1,8h= 1 h 48 min
Fuel burn was around 640kg/h...640*1.8= 1152 kg Takeoff Fuel
We estimate 100% cabin factor on todays flight wich is 74 pax.
84kg pax+11 kg baggage= 95kg per person
74*95= 7030kg payload
OEW 12950kg
TOW=ZFW+FOB 12950+1152+7030= 21132 kg TOW
Your TOW is 1670kg under MTOW
At MTOW and ISA ATR 72 needs 1333m of runway
We are quite close to MTOW so i guess we don't make it with this payload.
DON'T FORGET THE SLOPE OF OVER +/- 2% SLOPE....
ATR 42
Seating capacity is various depending on choice. But say 45 pax.
Payload: 4275kg
Fuel:1152kg
OEW: 11250kg
TOW: 16677 kg wich is 1923 kg under MTOW
MTOW TODR ISA is 1165 m...
With the slope even this operation would be impossible...
NOTE: It's ok to go with lower payload and thereby lower TOW to meet
the actual MTOW for the runway under given conditions
Seating capacity is various depending on choice. But say 45 pax.
Payload: 4275kg
Fuel:1152kg
OEW: 11250kg
TOW: 16677 kg wich is 1923 kg under MTOW
MTOW TODR ISA is 1165 m...
With the slope even this operation would be impossible...
NOTE: It's ok to go with lower payload and thereby lower TOW to meet
the actual MTOW for the runway under given conditions
66 as example...
66 as example...
