Noise Abatement Procedures JFK

[arrow28]

Unlike European Airpots where the required Noise Abatement Procedures are stated on the Jepp plates there appears to be nothing laid down for JFK or any other New York airports.

Could anybody in the know point me to the relevant documentation regarding the above.

Thanks.

[RMC]

Was hoping for a response to this myself....I understand the term NADP1 etc are not recognised in the US.

[MarkerInbound]

We officially call them "close in" and "distant" instead of 1 and 2. Anything official would be in the FAA Airport and Facilities Directory publication. The only thing I see for JFK is a number to call for more information. About the only time I'll do a close in in the States is to meet a climb gradient requirement.

[vapilot2004]

With the elimination of (heavy) Stage 1/2 aircraft from the skies, abatement procedures are not what they used to be but still exist.

While JFK has no CDA mandate (FAA's NextGen will) the airport is still monitored for noise at the end of each runway with a modest fine imposed on violators. Procedure turns on runways 4R/L are for noise abatement.

The FAA has mandated all commercial and private aircraft, regardless of weight, meet Stage 3 requirements by Dec 31, 2015 or be grounded.

[RMC]

Thanks guys...will be an 800'/ 800' tomorrow then. This is what you call a distant right?

[Intruder]

NADP2 is the standard, unless otherwise stated in a Jepp 10-4 page. From our FOM:

Noise Abatement
Noise abatement departure profile 2 (NADP-2) is the normal profile used unless otherwise specified by the Jeppesen terminal charts or Air Traffic Control pages.

Dunno why some claim "the term NADP1 etc are not recognised in the US"... Also dunno why a singular subject (term) is given a plural verb (are). Seems that's common in the UK...

[Intruder]

will be an 800'/ 800' tomorrow then. This is what you call a distant right?

Varies a bit with the carrier, but 1000/1000 is more common. While ICAO and FAA AC 91-53A may state 800' as a minimum, Boeing supports 1000': AERO - Fuel Conservation Strategies: Takeoff and Climb

[RMC]

Hi Intruder...thanks for that. You are correct of course about is/are......I was going to write "the terms NADP1 and NADP2 are not...." Thought I would save myself some letters and put "etc" ...which refers to there being more than one 😀

[mustangsally]

31L turns over the water.

I had a discussion with the JFK tower senior controller and a FAA inspector. Now this conversation took place about 2004. On 31L departures the airport would like a turn to the south as safety and altitude permit. This puts the noise pattern over the bay and not along the close in residential shore line. The departure pages used to have a request along those lines. Back in the good old days we would start a very gentle roll to the left at fifty to one hundred feet. Maybe fifteen to twenty degrees of bank to a southerly heading.

[flite idol]

Like most major U.S. Airports they want NADP2 for traffic flow. The noise abatement portion really refers to your track over the ground, as it does in many international destinations.