How does flying (ATC) + listening to music work?
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Too bad pal, I do not even do flight sim (boring stuff). But I do live under the path of rookie pilots who I would rather paid attention to keeeping their bus in the air rather than listening to music.
I suspect that the OP is not cruising longhaul but wants to 'enhance' his local flying with a bit of 'Top Gun' nonsense.
I suspect that the OP is not cruising longhaul but wants to 'enhance' his local flying with a bit of 'Top Gun' nonsense.
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It really depends actually. Not without reason at least one kinda big supplier of aviation headsets offers models with the possibility to connect them to MP3 players and mobile phones, the latter actually wireless via bluetooth. I can't really see the big harm if flying VFR to listen to some music.
I wouldn't dream to do it on the job, that is work and not recreation, but chugging along in a nice little biplane just for fun the right music can certainly enhance the situation.
I wouldn't dream to do it on the job, that is work and not recreation, but chugging along in a nice little biplane just for fun the right music can certainly enhance the situation.
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Such an innocent question followed by some emotional answers.
I challenge some one to provide a reference to the illegality of listening to music whilst flying. I doubt many Operations manuals even have a reference, and whilst company SOPs are important, I don't consider that a SOP reference is a matter of law.
IMHO, if I can have a conversation with the FO and/or cabin crew and listen to the radio, I can probably function quite well with some soft background music.
I challenge some one to provide a reference to the illegality of listening to music whilst flying. I doubt many Operations manuals even have a reference, and whilst company SOPs are important, I don't consider that a SOP reference is a matter of law.
IMHO, if I can have a conversation with the FO and/or cabin crew and listen to the radio, I can probably function quite well with some soft background music.
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is anyone else still sad about the demise of 675 Arrow Classic rock? The dutch knew how to rock/ I used to love listening to those gems. Its still on FM, but thats no good to us!
Eikido the Sennheiser HMEC 46-B-K headset has an audio input in the battery box. This can be plugged into any normal mp3 player and many mobile phones. If you are looking for a general aviation headset with audio inputs the Telex Stratus 50-D is the best available.
While I am not surprised that many on this forum find it impossible to listen to music and keep the aircraft in the air at the same time, the amount of vitriol directed at those of us who do listen to audio / do crosswords / read aircraft manuals while flying seems excessive.
How else am I going to keep up to date on BBC 4's Best of Natural History Radio?
While I am not surprised that many on this forum find it impossible to listen to music and keep the aircraft in the air at the same time, the amount of vitriol directed at those of us who do listen to audio / do crosswords / read aircraft manuals while flying seems excessive.
How else am I going to keep up to date on BBC 4's Best of Natural History Radio?
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I do NOT want you flying over my house while you are listening to music.
I have come close enough (geographically) to an 'unexpected' landing to realise you need all your senses concentrated on just keeping the thing in the air without the distraction of music.
I have come close enough (geographically) to an 'unexpected' landing to realise you need all your senses concentrated on just keeping the thing in the air without the distraction of music.
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Obviously the subject has aroused some feelings ....
However, please play the ball, not the player.
The original poster may or may not have much aviation experience but the question is, none the less, as valid as any other.
However, please play the ball, not the player.
The original poster may or may not have much aviation experience but the question is, none the less, as valid as any other.
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No, not pathetic. Arguable. Probably rather depends upon the flying you're doing.
In VFR GA we have this concept called 'see and avoid'. Actually, it's see and avoid with radio enhanced SA. *Listening* to the other traffic making various calls/broadcasts helps you build up a picture of what is around you. Often you know where to look in order to see. Personally I'd question your ability to listen while you've got music on. You may hear it, but is your mind really processing it?
Ironically, I suspect that's far less important for the big tin cruising up at flight level XXX in class A airspace - but from comments, they seem to have SOP's against it. Of course, there are situations where it may be quite reasonable - out in woop woop where there's no traffic. As ever, things are rarely black and white. Heaven forbid in this day and age, but.... Discretion required
In VFR GA we have this concept called 'see and avoid'. Actually, it's see and avoid with radio enhanced SA. *Listening* to the other traffic making various calls/broadcasts helps you build up a picture of what is around you. Often you know where to look in order to see. Personally I'd question your ability to listen while you've got music on. You may hear it, but is your mind really processing it?
Ironically, I suspect that's far less important for the big tin cruising up at flight level XXX in class A airspace - but from comments, they seem to have SOP's against it. Of course, there are situations where it may be quite reasonable - out in woop woop where there's no traffic. As ever, things are rarely black and white. Heaven forbid in this day and age, but.... Discretion required
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My main worry over listening to music is based on my use of such systems where some seconds of transmission is required before the music player is switched off. The delay is caused by the circuitry having to be 'detuned' so that it does not turn off the music if there is a short burst of static.
Just imagine going from Aiada Grand March to hearing an urgent ATC message but not knowing if it is for you or not because the switch over took place when the call sign was being transmitted and you missed it.
Just imagine going from Aiada Grand March to hearing an urgent ATC message but not knowing if it is for you or not because the switch over took place when the call sign was being transmitted and you missed it.
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Obviously the subject has aroused some feelings ....
However, please play the ball, not the player.
The original poster may or may not have much aviation experience but the question is, none the less, as valid as any other.
However, please play the ball, not the player.
The original poster may or may not have much aviation experience but the question is, none the less, as valid as any other.
And people here are calling me stupid because i've seen headsets with the possibilitiy to connect an mp3 player AND cell phones and have heard about people doing so.
I had respect for a few users here before this discussion but have lost it completely.
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I pretty much do exclusively long haul, and listening to music is a great way to keep folks awake. When you take off during the night, fly through the day and land at night time, your body gets kinda whacked out from circadian disruption. Music over the north atlantic and pacific, during the night most anywhere, when the radio is virtually silent, is very welcome.
I have had many a co-pilot and IRP thank me for having the i-pod going, it makes for a most pleasant trip.
I have had many a co-pilot and IRP thank me for having the i-pod going, it makes for a most pleasant trip.
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So,
Bi-plane, aerobatics, lonely quiet bit of airspace, no ATC, music = Fantastic. (The VHF radio is so bad that I can't hear a damn thing on it anyway!).
Normal aeroplane, normal airspace, ATC, music = Bad idea.
Student building hours... Shouldn't even be able to afford an iPod... It's worth a good hour or two's flying mate!!!
Rules are there for the guidance of wise men....
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Bi-plane, aerobatics, lonely quiet bit of airspace, no ATC, music = Fantastic. (The VHF radio is so bad that I can't hear a damn thing on it anyway!).
Normal aeroplane, normal airspace, ATC, music = Bad idea.
Student building hours... Shouldn't even be able to afford an iPod... It's worth a good hour or two's flying mate!!!
Rules are there for the guidance of wise men....
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When flying a single, it's a good idea to listen to the engine rather than music. It has a music of its' own - and when it starts to sound wrong you will hear it.
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The company SOP will probably not mention that it's illegal to listen to mp3s while flying. It probably also doesn't mention watching videos on portable DVD-players, playing games on a Nintendo, or rubbing your 
Or should it?? Use your common sense! You want to be a professional pilot, so act like one. Or stay out of the cockpit.
My ex-company stated very clearly in it's OM-A that "no non-flight related material may be read in the flight deck". Studying your manuals or readig the Jeppesen is part of your job, that's what you're being paid for and what is expected of you from the company, the passengers, and the people living underneath you. Are you seriously going to compare that?
Even private conversation is restricted during "critical phases of flight", and "should not allow you to be distracted from carrying out your normal duties", i.e. listening to ATC.
Reading a newspaper when there is time, chatting with one of the Girls, or getting out of your seat to stretch your legs for a while is acceptable. But does it really need to be explained to somebody that you can't listen to your ipod? Would you do that also while driving your car? If so, I wonder what you'd tell the police if they stopped and caught you with it.
If I were to observe it in a cockpit, I would sure a hell write a report about it.
Or should it?? Use your common sense! You want to be a professional pilot, so act like one. Or stay out of the cockpit.
My ex-company stated very clearly in it's OM-A that "no non-flight related material may be read in the flight deck". Studying your manuals or readig the Jeppesen is part of your job, that's what you're being paid for and what is expected of you from the company, the passengers, and the people living underneath you. Are you seriously going to compare that?
Even private conversation is restricted during "critical phases of flight", and "should not allow you to be distracted from carrying out your normal duties", i.e. listening to ATC.
Reading a newspaper when there is time, chatting with one of the Girls, or getting out of your seat to stretch your legs for a while is acceptable. But does it really need to be explained to somebody that you can't listen to your ipod? Would you do that also while driving your car? If so, I wonder what you'd tell the police if they stopped and caught you with it.
If I were to observe it in a cockpit, I would sure a hell write a report about it.