Fordec
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From: Europe
Now it is time for my first post here 
FORDEC is an acronym for
FACTS
OPTIONS
RISKS/BENEFITS
DECISION
EXECUTION
CHECK
It is a helpful tool to analyse and deal with non-normal situations that are not covered by the abnormal-checklists.
First of all, you try to collect all the relevant facts and define the different options you have (e.g. diversion, return to dep. airport or continue to destination). You assess then the risks and benefits of each option (e.g. wx, mx-base!? pax comfort and so on...) After you have made a decision, it is executed and you should thereafter check, if the desired outcome was achieved. If not, start with FORDEC again!
There is a time-critical FORDEC and a not time critical FORDEC. Difference: when evaluating the risks and benefits for each option, you are looking for the best option when you have no time constraints. But when things have to be decided as quickly as possible, you want to choose the first suitable option, which might not be the best...
I hope I was able to help out here...sorry, english is not my first language
Cheers!
FORDEC is an acronym for
FACTS
OPTIONS
RISKS/BENEFITS
DECISION
EXECUTION
CHECK
It is a helpful tool to analyse and deal with non-normal situations that are not covered by the abnormal-checklists.
First of all, you try to collect all the relevant facts and define the different options you have (e.g. diversion, return to dep. airport or continue to destination). You assess then the risks and benefits of each option (e.g. wx, mx-base!? pax comfort and so on...) After you have made a decision, it is executed and you should thereafter check, if the desired outcome was achieved. If not, start with FORDEC again!
There is a time-critical FORDEC and a not time critical FORDEC. Difference: when evaluating the risks and benefits for each option, you are looking for the best option when you have no time constraints. But when things have to be decided as quickly as possible, you want to choose the first suitable option, which might not be the best...
I hope I was able to help out here...sorry, english is not my first language
Cheers!
Warning Toxic!
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From: Hampshire, UK
BA uses DODAR- better and simpler. Diagnose Options Decide Assign Review. The Risks Benefits is an unnecessary step as it shouold be covered in your options anyway.
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From: UK
For-dec
Anyone who uses NOTECHS behaviour marker system for assessment and evaluation of crew performance is using FORDEC. ( Everyone should be now as assessment and evaluation is mandatory in JAA compliant airlines.)
That was the decision-making model used in the development of research into NOTECHS and adopted and recommended by the JAA and UK CAA.
Risk was considered an essential component of the model which was missing from many previously used models. BA and many major and minor airlines now use NOTECHs adapted for their particular use.
That was the decision-making model used in the development of research into NOTECHS and adopted and recommended by the JAA and UK CAA.
Risk was considered an essential component of the model which was missing from many previously used models. BA and many major and minor airlines now use NOTECHs adapted for their particular use.
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
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From: UK
I recall an extremely interesting article by a BA Regional captain in an internal mag which pointed out the pitfalls of 'enforcing' a rigid diagnostic structure on people, especially those who had an 'intuative' problem solving process. While we all agree some form of structured thinking is important he was, I think, essentially having a chip away at the intense effort BA were putting into DODAR (which was the 'baby' of a rising star). As always, 'horses for courses'.
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
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From: UK
Like all bandwagons on which people climb, these acronyms are just beginning to run wild! Let's see now, Enging Fire! Fire Drill No1, Eng!..........OK Captain....Now DODAR ......Excuse me Captain, we are using FORDEC now...........You sure its not 'CLEAR'?....Yes Captain............OK!..............er, 'Time not critical' FORDEC!.................Now, was that 'C' communicate or 'C' check...........oh my God!..................
Bring back sanity and clarity!
Edit: DECIDE!!
Bring back sanity and clarity!
Edit: DECIDE!!
Last edited by BOAC; 29th June 2008 at 07:36.
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From: I wouldn't know.
We used DODAR for quite a long time, no wonder as we were a BA owned business. However lately after an IOSA audit we had to switch to FORDEC. The difference is really that you have talk about Risk and Benefits, however of course any of those schematic CRM tools has to be adopted to the situation. If you do not have much time the options are few anyway, if you have time you can do a lengthy risk benefit evaluation.
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From: The No Transgression Zone
The US FAA recommended model is DECIDE---as part of ADM Aeronautical Decision Making
Detect---the the change which occured
Estimate---how much corrective action applies
Choose--the best outcome
Identify---controlling actions
Do---them as necessary but be adaptive
Evaluate---the effects
CAVU
PA
Detect---the the change which occured
Estimate---how much corrective action applies
Choose--the best outcome
Identify---controlling actions
Do---them as necessary but be adaptive
Evaluate---the effects
CAVU
PA
)
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Disgusted of Tunbridge
Disgusted of Tunbridge
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From: Hampshire, UK
In any emergency, first DWATUF:
Decide
Which
Acronym
To
Use
First
Then do nothing. Chances are that is the best course of action anyway. Then, either re-rack, or hit it with a hammer (solves over 50% of all known problems) .
Decide
Which
Acronym
To
Use
First
Then do nothing. Chances are that is the best course of action anyway. Then, either re-rack, or hit it with a hammer (solves over 50% of all known problems) .
Joined: May 2004
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From: Somewhere in time
Hi guys,
I know FORDEC from my previous company, but I havent heared anything about this or similar in my present airline.
As I see it, it is a JAA requirement, so where can I find these requirements/definitions in the EU-OPS.
Thanks a lot.
I know FORDEC from my previous company, but I havent heared anything about this or similar in my present airline.
As I see it, it is a JAA requirement, so where can I find these requirements/definitions in the EU-OPS.
Thanks a lot.