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Old 26th Sep 2008, 15:35
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you could carry something like 1200 people legally* in a 747 freighter.



* In terms of weight, not seats!
How many lower deck seats?

It is lowish - 163 cm high containers go there, so floor to ceiling is about 170 cm. But people enjoy sitting in Learjets, 150 cm floor to ceiling. So, what would a 747 be like with no cargo holds and seats installed throughout lower deck?
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Don't forget that you need evacuation doors and flight attendants to handle all these extra seats. They may be SLF but they often need a kick out a door in an emergency
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Qantas and Cyclone Tracy

Just to get it correct. Qantas lifted 673 passengers out of Darwin after Tracy hit Darwin. At the time that was a record pax load for a B747-200.

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Re Cyclone Tracey evacuation from Darwin:

An Ansett F28-1000 departed with 128 pax.

I thought a Qantas B747-200 departed with 712 pax.
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Old 27th Sep 2008, 16:46
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FWIW I once worked out that you could carry something like 1200 people legally* in a 747 freighter.
That sounds like a innovative answer to the fuel price rise! Just double number of revenue pax and keep the fuel burn the same.

Now, how MOL can fit 378 seats into 737-800?
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Old 27th Sep 2008, 22:08
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I remember being on the Apron at Guam, (Civil), back in 1978 when a JAL B747, (100 or 200, can't remember now), called for start and was asked number on board, it was in the order of 530 and I'd never heard that large a load before on a commercial flight.

Apparently Guam was a favoured honeymoon destination for the Japanese and these happy little people weighed in at around 50kgs each with hardly any baggage.
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FWIW I once worked out that you could carry something like 1200 people legally* in a 747 freighter.
Would pax/crew be sharing oxygen masks?
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Qantas B747-200 out of Darwin

B772 The figure of 673 pax out of Darwin on a Qantas B747-238 comes from the Qantas history web page and others. The first of my post-Tracy flights into Darwin was on 27Dec74 in what I understand is now the only C130A with three bladed props still flying worldwide. (ex RAAF A97-212)We never carried a record number of pax, but we did arrive into Sydney on one evacuation flight with more on board than we had had on departure. (A litter of rabbits born en route). I have never before, or since, witnessed devastation such as we saw in Darwin.
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Old 29th Sep 2008, 17:06
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Elevation

Just one other thing to note, Darwin is close to sea level. Addis Ababa is at 7656 feet. El Al probably didn't carry too much fuel.
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well, you could always try this ...

The New York Times > Business > Image > Graphic: A Balance Between Economics and Comfort

the story (and correction) are here

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/25/business/25seats.html

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