747 Whats the shortest rwy you landed?
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The most impressive thing was the WIDTH of rwy this 747 landed on......... barely enough for the main bogeys!
And that in what appears to be a fairly substantial crosswind. Of course, very well rehearsed and practised (in the sim) beforehand. Very professionally handled.
The most impressive thing was the WIDTH of rwy this 747 landed on......... barely enough for the main bogeys!
And that in what appears to be a fairly substantial crosswind. Of course, very well rehearsed and practised (in the sim) beforehand. Very professionally handled.
Correct, 30 flaps Vref is 118 kts at 180 tons...
Generally, BOW for our 747-200s is about 175 tons...
I doubt anyone flies with only a few drops in the tanks... so shall we make it 190...?
Generally, BOW for our 747-200s is about 175 tons...
I doubt anyone flies with only a few drops in the tanks... so shall we make it 190...?
Vref around 118kts.
Also done a rather large number of landings at 285 tonnes as well - 152kts Vref.
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I've found a bit more information on my earlier post (#4)
The runway width is 50ft, and the 747-200's outer main gear tyre width is 41ft 4". Landing speed (Vref was 115kt)
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The runway width is 50ft, and the 747-200's outer main gear tyre width is 41ft 4". Landing speed (Vref was 115kt)
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Evidently, freighters have a 10 tons lighter BOW than pax planes...
The freighters we leased used to be about 157 to 163 tons BOW...
Compare that to the 172 or 173 BOW of pax birds.
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Since we moved from "how short a runway in a 747" to "how heavy and associated Vref" to impress each otherīs ability to read our speed tables, shall we mention the 302,092 kg (and a few grams) which was the max landing weight option, (as an example) of the 747-271Cs of Cargolux. Checking my log books - were registered LX-ACV/BCV and ECV in 1993... Anyone needs the c/n of these airplanes as well, I could research that...?
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Showing my (own) ability to read tables, and impress the gallery on the optical quality of my bifocal eyeglasses, and advanced mathematical abilities I have acquired as a schoolboy in the last century, that would give us an even more impressive Vref of 164.5 KIAS, this due (quoting the Boeing QRH -7Q-PERF in reference, revised 2003) "speeds for weights above 301,000 kg based on flaps 25 due to flap load relief system operation"... ("sapiens cum libro", to have a dash of Latin culture - "de viris illustribus" - to further impress the readers).
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Generally, most airlines (most...?) operating 747s indulge in operating on 10,000 feet long runways, or equivalent... so how short a runway "etc" - is just a typical "brain fart" for coffee-breaks in recurrent training. No wonder I have a dash of sexy grey hair on my head.
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I now close my QRH and fill a cold mug with Quilmes... cheers
xxx
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The freighters we leased used to be about 157 to 163 tons BOW...
Compare that to the 172 or 173 BOW of pax birds.
xxx
Since we moved from "how short a runway in a 747" to "how heavy and associated Vref" to impress each otherīs ability to read our speed tables, shall we mention the 302,092 kg (and a few grams) which was the max landing weight option, (as an example) of the 747-271Cs of Cargolux. Checking my log books - were registered LX-ACV/BCV and ECV in 1993... Anyone needs the c/n of these airplanes as well, I could research that...?
xxx
Showing my (own) ability to read tables, and impress the gallery on the optical quality of my bifocal eyeglasses, and advanced mathematical abilities I have acquired as a schoolboy in the last century, that would give us an even more impressive Vref of 164.5 KIAS, this due (quoting the Boeing QRH -7Q-PERF in reference, revised 2003) "speeds for weights above 301,000 kg based on flaps 25 due to flap load relief system operation"... ("sapiens cum libro", to have a dash of Latin culture - "de viris illustribus" - to further impress the readers).
xxx
Generally, most airlines (most...?) operating 747s indulge in operating on 10,000 feet long runways, or equivalent... so how short a runway "etc" - is just a typical "brain fart" for coffee-breaks in recurrent training. No wonder I have a dash of sexy grey hair on my head.
xxx
I now close my QRH and fill a cold mug with Quilmes... cheers
xxx
Happy contrails
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BelArgUSA,
I'm genuinely impressed and I whish I could profit more of your great piloting and educational skills.
Unfortunately I'm still a bit far from a 742 TR, but still manage to enjoy exciting things from life
Thanks again for making a great pprune reading.
I'm genuinely impressed and I whish I could profit more of your great piloting and educational skills.
Unfortunately I'm still a bit far from a 742 TR, but still manage to enjoy exciting things from life
Thanks again for making a great pprune reading.
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PPRuNe doesn't permit images directly .. check out via the search function how to use a host site for the file and then link to the site from the PPRuNe post.
PPRuNe doesn't permit images directly .. check out via the search function how to use a host site for the file and then link to the site from the PPRuNe post.
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For BelArgUsa
I spent many an hour on these...
LXACV (MSN 21964)
21/12/1979 Transamerica Airlines N741TV
01/09/1980 Nigeria Airways N741TV
01/09/1981 Nigeria Airways N741TV
03/05/1985 UTA N741TV
08/10/1986 Cargolux N741TV
06/01/1987 Cargolux LX-ACV
11/11/1998 Cargolux N538MC
23/03/1999 Atlas Air N538MC
20/11/1999 Cargo Air Lines 4X-ICL
LXBCV (MSN 22403)
01/06/1981 Transamerica Airlines N743TV
14/04/1985 Saudia N743TV
01/04/1986 Cargolux N743TV
22/12/1986 Cargolux LX-BCV
29/10/1998 Cargolux N537MC Operated by Atlas
05/05/2003 Atlas Air N537MC
LXECV (MSN 21965)
26/03/1980 Transamerica Airlines N742TV
01/09/1981 Nigeria Airways N742TV
19/06/1987 Cargolux LX-ECV
11/12/1998 Cargolux N539MC
04/06/2000 Atlas Air N539MC
19/01/2001 Cargo Air Lines 4X-ICM
LXACV (MSN 21964)
21/12/1979 Transamerica Airlines N741TV
01/09/1980 Nigeria Airways N741TV
01/09/1981 Nigeria Airways N741TV
03/05/1985 UTA N741TV
08/10/1986 Cargolux N741TV
06/01/1987 Cargolux LX-ACV
11/11/1998 Cargolux N538MC
23/03/1999 Atlas Air N538MC
20/11/1999 Cargo Air Lines 4X-ICL
LXBCV (MSN 22403)
01/06/1981 Transamerica Airlines N743TV
14/04/1985 Saudia N743TV
01/04/1986 Cargolux N743TV
22/12/1986 Cargolux LX-BCV
29/10/1998 Cargolux N537MC Operated by Atlas
05/05/2003 Atlas Air N537MC
LXECV (MSN 21965)
26/03/1980 Transamerica Airlines N742TV
01/09/1981 Nigeria Airways N742TV
19/06/1987 Cargolux LX-ECV
11/12/1998 Cargolux N539MC
04/06/2000 Atlas Air N539MC
19/01/2001 Cargo Air Lines 4X-ICM
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My Gosh CR2...
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I did not mean anyone to go through the troubles of getting these msn...
Was a joke, since some of our friends love to go in details with magnifying glasses and use decimals of inches and grams...
So I like to pull their leg too.
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Apologies from my type of humour, and... thanks for the serial numbers.
Glad to see that these outstanding (but now old) birds are still active.
These three babies were the best and nicest 747 freighters I ever flew.
Had all the heavy weight mods and GE's concerto for 4 CF-6s in E Flat...
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Happy contrails
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I did not mean anyone to go through the troubles of getting these msn...
Was a joke, since some of our friends love to go in details with magnifying glasses and use decimals of inches and grams...
So I like to pull their leg too.
xxx
Apologies from my type of humour, and... thanks for the serial numbers.
Glad to see that these outstanding (but now old) birds are still active.
These three babies were the best and nicest 747 freighters I ever flew.
Had all the heavy weight mods and GE's concerto for 4 CF-6s in E Flat...
xxx
Happy contrails
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No worries... a quick google did the trick. Those planes were very well looked after, was a shame to see them go. I spent a little over ten years working with them. Progress etc...
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More recently, I also took a new 744 out of Cambridge to LGW after cabin additions at Marshalls. That provided a very impressive initial climb as we were empty, with about 30t of fuel and were at full chat. I think all the workers at Marshalls came out to watch our departure!
JD
