Can an A330 t/o and land in GSE??
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Can an A330 t/o and land in GSE??
Hello everybody 
This is my first post in this forum...
And my question is can an A330 takeoff and land in GSE
(the runway is about 2000 m long or 6560 feet) in the winter??
I think about flights wich will have about 5-6 hours flight time.
itīs just a normal winterday ( 0 degrees,15 knots headwind and
a pressure of 1120 hpa).
//Robin
This is my first post in this forum...
And my question is can an A330 takeoff and land in GSE
(the runway is about 2000 m long or 6560 feet) in the winter??
I think about flights wich will have about 5-6 hours flight time.
itīs just a normal winterday ( 0 degrees,15 knots headwind and
a pressure of 1120 hpa).
//Robin
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Lordy, at 1120 hpa, your ears would be popping !
Answer - yes
Practically - no
Too many variables, the performance would be marginal, particularly when you look at contaminated runways in the winter.
Answer - yes
Practically - no
Too many variables, the performance would be marginal, particularly when you look at contaminated runways in the winter.
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Show me a 330 that can get to somewhere you would want to go in OZ in 7:15 and I will get back to you with cold hard facts
<In short, No, except maybe stripped bare and a 40kt headwind>
<In short, No, except maybe stripped bare and a 40kt headwind>
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Show me a 330 that can get to OZ in 7:15. . . .
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The answer is yes, and easily. There is 10000kg left over for additional freight/fuel. Figures worked out by performance engineering A330.
And I was referring to NRT-CNS when I originally said NRT-CNS!!!! How did you misinterpret that??!!
And I was referring to NRT-CNS when I originally said NRT-CNS!!!! How did you misinterpret that??!!
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But, A330-200 from MyTravel operates from a 2100 m runway (6888 feet)
in Sweden (VXO). The flight goes to HKT via SHJ.
VXO-SHJ is 2580 nm (4778 km) and how is that possible??
No Cargo maybe??
in Sweden (VXO). The flight goes to HKT via SHJ.
VXO-SHJ is 2580 nm (4778 km) and how is that possible??
No Cargo maybe??
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How much cargo do MyTravel have on a 5-6 hours flight??
I can think it would be much less cargo when operates from a
2100m runway than a 3000 m runway...
Please write if i have wrong!
I can think it would be much less cargo when operates from a
2100m runway than a 3000 m runway...
Please write if i have wrong!
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I had a quick look at VXO/Smaland and it's altitude is higher @ 610' than nrt. Narita has no terrain off the runway splays and is slightly longer than VXO. These differences seem small but have a major effect on performance. e.g. engine failure at V1 aircraft has to be able to clear terrain after becoming airborne so sometimes this limits the actual take-off weight even though the airframe/engines can support a higher weight.
Also the engines may not be as higher a rating of thrust. My data is based on GE (67,500 to 75,000 lb) but suspect the A330-200 RR has less thrust (67,500 and 71,000 ).
Cheers
p.s. are you basing VXO data on 'config 3'?
p.p.s. some more info, My Travel A330-200 are RR therefore 4000lbs less thrust and 360 seats
, the A330-200 I worked on has 303 seats and GE powered......mystery solved 
Also the engines may not be as higher a rating of thrust. My data is based on GE (67,500 to 75,000 lb) but suspect the A330-200 RR has less thrust (67,500 and 71,000 ).
Cheers
p.s. are you basing VXO data on 'config 3'?
p.p.s. some more info, My Travel A330-200 are RR therefore 4000lbs less thrust and 360 seats
, the A330-200 I worked on has 303 seats and GE powered......mystery solved
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Do you think the A333 from MyTravel ( 405 seats) can takeoff from
VXO on a flight around 6 hours??
Do the A333 comes closer to its MTOW than the A332 ??
Please write if i have wrong!
VXO on a flight around 6 hours??
Do the A333 comes closer to its MTOW than the A332 ??
Please write if i have wrong!
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a-330 in gse
hello everyone,
in our airfield brief for gse it is mentioned that although the pavement classification number(pcn) is low, local authorities do not impose any weight restrictions on our b737-800ng operations. so my guess is that for an a-330, there might indeed be a problem in addition to the short runway.
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bm,
in our airfield brief for gse it is mentioned that although the pavement classification number(pcn) is low, local authorities do not impose any weight restrictions on our b737-800ng operations. so my guess is that for an a-330, there might indeed be a problem in addition to the short runway.
kind regards,
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In regards to the A333 it is a worse case scenario than the A332 because the aircraft is bigger,heavier than the A332 with the same engines i.e. more weight same thrust = poorer performance. A six hr flight with 400+ pax ( geez you guys must be real skinny in the Northern hemisphere 
) I would guess from a 2100m runway you would be looking at 5:30 to 6 hrs range max.
A333 is just not the aircraft for max load/ short runway operations. B767, A332 are designed for such ops.
Hope this helps.
) I would guess from a 2100m runway you would be looking at 5:30 to 6 hrs range max.A333 is just not the aircraft for max load/ short runway operations. B767, A332 are designed for such ops.
Hope this helps.
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So you mean that the B767,A332 is made for short runways while
the A333 is not??
Is this the reason why VKG always use A332 on the short runways (in sweden on the cold winters) for a flighttime about 6 hours??
the A333 is not??
Is this the reason why VKG always use A332 on the short runways (in sweden on the cold winters) for a flighttime about 6 hours??
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Yes.
The power to weight ratio is always better with a twin jet than a three or four holer ( must be able to fly away with an engine failure at the most critical point on the take-off (V1). Lose an engine on a 747 lose 25% of your power, lose an engine on a 767 lose 50% of your power...therefore twins have to be 'overpowered' as such )
A333 heavier but same thrust as a A332 therefore A333 has a poorer power to weight ratio than a A332
Think of a V8 engine in a VW Beetle versus a Hummer..... which will go faster up a hill...see my point now?
The power to weight ratio is always better with a twin jet than a three or four holer ( must be able to fly away with an engine failure at the most critical point on the take-off (V1). Lose an engine on a 747 lose 25% of your power, lose an engine on a 767 lose 50% of your power...therefore twins have to be 'overpowered' as such )
A333 heavier but same thrust as a A332 therefore A333 has a poorer power to weight ratio than a A332
Think of a V8 engine in a VW Beetle versus a Hummer..... which will go faster up a hill...see my point now?