Boeing patents anti-terrorism auto-land system for hijacked airliners
This idea, just like locked doors, fighter escorts etc. etc. has nothing to do with preserving the life of those onboard and everything to do with saving the lives of those on the ground. If the system was ever installed the authorities won't give a monkeys if it can read a notam, decide if it's got enough fuel or do a go-around, all they want is for the aircraft not to fly into a crowded city centre. A safe and assured landing for the aircraft and passengers would be a bonus but if it spears in somewhere away from a large population centre it would still have achieved it's objective. Scary stuff, hopefully will be retired before this becomes reality.
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autopilot disengage
I would fly any aircraft, if it has the autopilot disenagage button. 
can`t imagine, that I`m sitting there and have no choice to do anything (just like the A320 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxP8LwSArYA) no way 
can`t imagine, that I`m sitting there and have no choice to do anything (just like the A320 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxP8LwSArYA) no way
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I would fly any aircraft, if it has the autopilot disenagage button. can`t imagine, that I`m sitting there and have no choice to do anything (just like the A320 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxP8LwSArYA) no way
can`t imagine, that I`m sitting there and have no choice to do anything (just like the A320 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxP8LwSArYA) no way Looks good enough for government work!
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I would fly any aircraft, if it has the autopilot disenagage button. can`t imagine, that I`m sitting there and have no choice to do anything (just like the A320 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxP8LwSArYA) no way
can`t imagine, that I`m sitting there and have no choice to do anything (just like the A320 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxP8LwSArYA) no way can anyone point me to the official (or highly reliable) documentation on the cause of that accident please?
much appreciated.
re the thread topic...NO WAY am i boarding, let alone flying a plane with that system...i don't even want to be in the same airspace...
I don't have a problem with the system kicking into action in a hijack situation. What concerns me is what happens when it kicks into action because it's malfunctioned.
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You have to wonder.
Over the years, what is the percentage of aircraft that have been hijacked and used as a weapon?
How much is the development going to cost?
How much is it going to cost the airlines to implement?
Is it likely to be used?
Can the money be put to better use in other areas of aviation safety?
Over the years, what is the percentage of aircraft that have been hijacked and used as a weapon?
How much is the development going to cost?
How much is it going to cost the airlines to implement?
Is it likely to be used?
Can the money be put to better use in other areas of aviation safety?
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1.2m people killed each year
50m people injured each year
500 children killed each day
85% of casualties in low and middle-income countries
Road deaths to double by 2020
That's one 11/9 every day 7 days a week 52 weeks of the year or 8 747's every day - It does make 555 on an A380 or 400+ on a 747 pale into insignificance.
Hi-jacking is IMHO a thing of the past anyone saying I'm taking over this plane has around 60 seconds to live before the on board slc tear them apart.
Giving the likes of the CIA control of aircraft remotely is just letting the lunatics take over the asylum for what? We never got this paranoid during the troubles so why now? Trouble with the cousins is that they take time to rise and then they go ape and knee-jerking becomes a national sport.
50m people injured each year
500 children killed each day
85% of casualties in low and middle-income countries
Road deaths to double by 2020
That's one 11/9 every day 7 days a week 52 weeks of the year or 8 747's every day - It does make 555 on an A380 or 400+ on a 747 pale into insignificance.
Hi-jacking is IMHO a thing of the past anyone saying I'm taking over this plane has around 60 seconds to live before the on board slc tear them apart.
Giving the likes of the CIA control of aircraft remotely is just letting the lunatics take over the asylum for what? We never got this paranoid during the troubles so why now? Trouble with the cousins is that they take time to rise and then they go ape and knee-jerking becomes a national sport.
I saw this on another thread here:
A computer will be able to fly an aircraft when it can answer these three questions:
1. Why is it doing that?
2. How do we make it stop?
3. What is that smell?
A computer will be able to fly an aircraft when it can answer these three questions:
1. Why is it doing that?
2. How do we make it stop?
3. What is that smell?
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Hasn't a system of this kind already been used to fool some people into thinking that a group of mediocre flight students from the Middle East flew airliners, with pinpoint accuracy, into the World Trade Center?
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Great Questions...nail on the head.
Pilots being removed from the front are strictly a cost saving measure. Nothing more. It does nothing to improve safety. It does nothing to improve security on airliners. And do you think that the average person wants to be transported across any ocean at 35000 feet with no driver? Before we see this happening, and I am not saying it won't, we will see a pilotless USAF that has operated these pilotless aircraft for many years, in all areas from combat missions, to routine supply flights on A/C like the C-17, or the C-5, (I am sure these birds will be long retired, and replaced with newer A/C), before it is applied to civilian transport.
As for this anti terrorist system? At what cost? And, as automation has proven, over and over again, (Airbus), systems are flawed, prone to error, and cannot be relied upon, without the Human brain Mk. 1 sitting in the front seat.
One more thing, the human brain thinks at around 500 wpm, and we speak at around 150 wpm. A computer thinks at millions of words a minute and speaks at around the same, millions of words a minute. Who won the race, the tortoise or the hare.
Slowly does it every time.
Great Questions...nail on the head.
Pilots being removed from the front are strictly a cost saving measure. Nothing more. It does nothing to improve safety. It does nothing to improve security on airliners. And do you think that the average person wants to be transported across any ocean at 35000 feet with no driver? Before we see this happening, and I am not saying it won't, we will see a pilotless USAF that has operated these pilotless aircraft for many years, in all areas from combat missions, to routine supply flights on A/C like the C-17, or the C-5, (I am sure these birds will be long retired, and replaced with newer A/C), before it is applied to civilian transport.
As for this anti terrorist system? At what cost? And, as automation has proven, over and over again, (Airbus), systems are flawed, prone to error, and cannot be relied upon, without the Human brain Mk. 1 sitting in the front seat.
One more thing, the human brain thinks at around 500 wpm, and we speak at around 150 wpm. A computer thinks at millions of words a minute and speaks at around the same, millions of words a minute. Who won the race, the tortoise or the hare.
Slowly does it every time.
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So what authority does the CIA have to order a civil transport to be shot down?
As far as I’m aware the rest of the World doesn’t take orders from the CIA…indeed neither do the domestic authorities in the USA I believe, since the CIA is not permitted to conduct operations on US soil.
FWIW, PLOC (prolonged loss of contact) is something flight crews deal with regularly, nothing sinister in that.
Any government that started shooting down civilian transports as a response to PLOC would find themselves out of office and in the dock in very short order.
The hi-jack tactic has been hi-jacked by those with vested interests…both politically and commercially. The days whereby 350 passengers sit idly by while a few would be hi-jackers try to smash their way through the armoured flight deck door ended on that fateful day a few years ago. I’d give them around 30 seconds before the rest of the passengers turned them into a stain on the carpet.
As a pilot I’m interested in looking after the safety of my passengers and crew from all dangers. That includes trigger happy government policy.
As far as I’m aware the rest of the World doesn’t take orders from the CIA…indeed neither do the domestic authorities in the USA I believe, since the CIA is not permitted to conduct operations on US soil.
FWIW, PLOC (prolonged loss of contact) is something flight crews deal with regularly, nothing sinister in that.
Any government that started shooting down civilian transports as a response to PLOC would find themselves out of office and in the dock in very short order.
The hi-jack tactic has been hi-jacked by those with vested interests…both politically and commercially. The days whereby 350 passengers sit idly by while a few would be hi-jackers try to smash their way through the armoured flight deck door ended on that fateful day a few years ago. I’d give them around 30 seconds before the rest of the passengers turned them into a stain on the carpet.
As a pilot I’m interested in looking after the safety of my passengers and crew from all dangers. That includes trigger happy government policy.
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I don't know guys, but to me it sounds crazy to leave a computer taxing-taking off-flying etc. (with out pilots) What if something goes wrong?? As many of you allready wrote, how in heaven is a computer going to deal with problems like ILS failures, engine failures.. and so on.. The amount of money that should be used for a computer being able to fly an aircraft with thoose kind of problems would be too way expensive..
The link that Check Airman posted shows allready the results of an aircraft FULLY flown by a computer and the consequences of it.
No way
The link that Check Airman posted shows allready the results of an aircraft FULLY flown by a computer and the consequences of it.
No way
