EFB Class I ,CF-18 Toughbook laptop
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EFB Class I ,CF-18 Toughbook laptop
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Any chance to now among pilots who are using the CF-18 toughbook laptop as EFB class 1 in their fleets .
at moment i know that Emirates and EasyJet, have this model on duty .
I apreciate some feedback in issues like:
-user -friendly ( Jepp Flightdeck)
-we need keep paper charts as backup?
-What about the toff and app briefing with the laptop open
- The laptop should be stowed during toff and landing but the crews still use airport sids stars and app charts or not? Or flying FMS with no charts at all ( what about if we must fly raw data because the airport aren t in database?)
During OPC or LPC the crews are training (EFB Class 1) SOPs with items like rwy change, enroute alternate, alternate?
And at last what is the overall opinion from airliner pilots and EFB class 1 and this specific model CF-.18
Thanks
Soga
Pilot A320
Any chance to now among pilots who are using the CF-18 toughbook laptop as EFB class 1 in their fleets .
at moment i know that Emirates and EasyJet, have this model on duty .
I apreciate some feedback in issues like:
-user -friendly ( Jepp Flightdeck)
-we need keep paper charts as backup?
-What about the toff and app briefing with the laptop open
- The laptop should be stowed during toff and landing but the crews still use airport sids stars and app charts or not? Or flying FMS with no charts at all ( what about if we must fly raw data because the airport aren t in database?)
During OPC or LPC the crews are training (EFB Class 1) SOPs with items like rwy change, enroute alternate, alternate?
And at last what is the overall opinion from airliner pilots and EFB class 1 and this specific model CF-.18
Thanks
Soga
Pilot A320
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Hi,
Toughbook in EZY does not use Jeppview. It is only used for Performance, weight and balance, FCOM, MEL, Ops Man and a few other misc docs.
Generally it's a good performer - and it is tough. My previous Company tried it with conventional laptops and they got wrecked - just not up to the job.
My only reservation is the MEL - it's just not friendly to use. Things are not where you expect them etc. However once you do find your inop item it can be automatically transferred across into your performance calculations if applicable.
I think overall, the EFB is a good thing -it just takes a little getting used to.
A4
Toughbook in EZY does not use Jeppview. It is only used for Performance, weight and balance, FCOM, MEL, Ops Man and a few other misc docs.
Generally it's a good performer - and it is tough. My previous Company tried it with conventional laptops and they got wrecked - just not up to the job.
My only reservation is the MEL - it's just not friendly to use. Things are not where you expect them etc. However once you do find your inop item it can be automatically transferred across into your performance calculations if applicable.
I think overall, the EFB is a good thing -it just takes a little getting used to.
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I would echo A4, as you say EK has had them for a couple of years and we don't have Jeppview, though perhaps with our possible transfer to LIDO charts, that may be changed in the future. We have 2 CF18 in the 345 and have discarded all the runway performance charts we used to lug around, with an ACARS performance calculation back-up if required. Very sturdy, though there are still the rock-apes who somehow manage to break them, the stylus is usually first to go!
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Not airline industry but we have been using CF 26/27 & 18's for some years with little trouble. I had a CF 26 as laptop/networked desk-top for 4 years and was then given a CF18 with 3G for trial (till it was nicked).
We are starting trials on downloading & updating our CoP's (SoP's) automatically direct from the network shortly.
Most of our are used on site in sometimes wet & muddy conditions and we have only ever had on phsically damaged (apart from screens when stylus left on keyboard before closing screen!!)
The only critisim of the CF18 is the smaller screen compared with the 26/27 which have a full size laptop screen
We are starting trials on downloading & updating our CoP's (SoP's) automatically direct from the network shortly.
Most of our are used on site in sometimes wet & muddy conditions and we have only ever had on phsically damaged (apart from screens when stylus left on keyboard before closing screen!!)
The only critisim of the CF18 is the smaller screen compared with the 26/27 which have a full size laptop screen
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Toughbook CF-19
On our fleet in PrivatAir SA the Skyjob Electronic Flight Bag has been introduced on the CF-19 (newer version of CF-18). 
The CF-19 has been extended with a datacard (sim card) to enable wireless transmission of flight plan data, weather and notam briefings, weather charts, etc.
The hardware works fine, good battery life (up to 6 hours), and even very usable in the small fligth deck of the 737.
For reference, our fleet consists of BBJW, B737-800W, B757-200W and 767-300ER, all operating the same software package. Just the A319LR has not yet been introduced to the operational EFB software.
We use e-Link for digital charting, but still have paper destination charts and an emergency charts booklet on board.
Furthermore we are now removing all paper manuals which are hosted on the EFB through the Skyjob Electronic Fligth Bag application.
The IATA Dangerous Goods manual is carried in electronic format as well.
For performance, we use the Boeing Laptop Tool, configured for optimized performance on the CF-19. On completion of the weight & balance and performance, the saved data is sent to our operations department prior to departure via internet technology. If received ok by the server, no paper hardcopy needs to be left behind on departure anymore, thus completely paperless.
Further information on our Skyjob Electronic Flight Bag can be found on http://www.skyjob.co.uk
The CF-19 has been extended with a datacard (sim card) to enable wireless transmission of flight plan data, weather and notam briefings, weather charts, etc.
The hardware works fine, good battery life (up to 6 hours), and even very usable in the small fligth deck of the 737.
For reference, our fleet consists of BBJW, B737-800W, B757-200W and 767-300ER, all operating the same software package. Just the A319LR has not yet been introduced to the operational EFB software.
We use e-Link for digital charting, but still have paper destination charts and an emergency charts booklet on board.
Furthermore we are now removing all paper manuals which are hosted on the EFB through the Skyjob Electronic Fligth Bag application.
The IATA Dangerous Goods manual is carried in electronic format as well.
For performance, we use the Boeing Laptop Tool, configured for optimized performance on the CF-19. On completion of the weight & balance and performance, the saved data is sent to our operations department prior to departure via internet technology. If received ok by the server, no paper hardcopy needs to be left behind on departure anymore, thus completely paperless.
Further information on our Skyjob Electronic Flight Bag can be found on http://www.skyjob.co.uk
