Rudder - Foot Placement Technique
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From: EDDH
It is still published in my company's 737 OM-B and it was taken over from Boeing years ago:
Heels off the ground for all ground ops (including shortly before landing) and heels on the ground when in the air. It worked for me all the years.
Heels off the ground for all ground ops (including shortly before landing) and heels on the ground when in the air. It worked for me all the years.
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The way that worked for me, on many types of aeroplanes, was to rest my heels on the floor but when you know that you will be using the pedals and brakes I just used to 'lock' my heel step on the bottom of the pedals and just pivot toes. Not meant to over simplify just to be comfortable when you most need your toes. Heels on the floor when flying - shoe heel step on the pedals when landing or taking off.
But.......that was my way and I am sure everyone has their way!
But.......that was my way and I am sure everyone has their way!
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" . . .for the B734,autobrake RTO is only armed after 90kt on the t/o roll.just a point.."
Similar for the 'bus - About 70 kts. Lose an engine before these speeds and the asymmetry can take you off the runway very rapidly. A sim instructor used to demonstrate this very well during his sessions. That half second delay in getting your feet in position may make the difference.
History shows that if a manufacturer recommends a particular technique and you don't follow it, you can have a very difficult time in court.
Similar for the 'bus - About 70 kts. Lose an engine before these speeds and the asymmetry can take you off the runway very rapidly. A sim instructor used to demonstrate this very well during his sessions. That half second delay in getting your feet in position may make the difference.
History shows that if a manufacturer recommends a particular technique and you don't follow it, you can have a very difficult time in court.
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Is it just me?
I've always had a quandary over the heels on/off floor options. On the jets I've flown (no autobrake, considerable rudder required for cross wind landings, steering via tiller) heels on the floor gave me better rudder control to maintain centerline during take off, and landing roll out prior to brake application.
However, I had noticeable problems sliding my feet up on the pedals in order to activate the toe brakes. Specifically, I had been unable to slide them up while holding substantial rudder on one pedal, to negate a stiff cross wind. This resulted in a swing of the aircraft while my feet were relieving pressure on the rudders, moving up, then applying brake and rudder again to re align the aircraft with the runway. Typically all done before use of nose steering has been effected.
A RTO could be a nightmare! That's why I use heels off the floor (toes over the brake pedals)
Perhaps I've less stick and rudder skills than the average. Can anyone comment on crosswind landings heels on the floor with a transition to braking?
Hawk
However, I had noticeable problems sliding my feet up on the pedals in order to activate the toe brakes. Specifically, I had been unable to slide them up while holding substantial rudder on one pedal, to negate a stiff cross wind. This resulted in a swing of the aircraft while my feet were relieving pressure on the rudders, moving up, then applying brake and rudder again to re align the aircraft with the runway. Typically all done before use of nose steering has been effected.
A RTO could be a nightmare! That's why I use heels off the floor (toes over the brake pedals)
Perhaps I've less stick and rudder skills than the average. Can anyone comment on crosswind landings heels on the floor with a transition to braking?
Hawk
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From: Italy
" . . .for the B734,autobrake RTO is only armed after 90kt on the t/o roll.just a point.."
Similar for the 'bus - About 70 kts. Lose an engine before these speeds and the asymmetry can take you off the runway very rapidly. A sim instructor used to demonstrate this very well during his sessions. That half second delay in getting your feet in position may make the difference.
History shows that if a manufacturer recommends a particular technique and you don't follow it, you can have a very difficult time in court.
Similar for the 'bus - About 70 kts. Lose an engine before these speeds and the asymmetry can take you off the runway very rapidly. A sim instructor used to demonstrate this very well during his sessions. That half second delay in getting your feet in position may make the difference.
History shows that if a manufacturer recommends a particular technique and you don't follow it, you can have a very difficult time in court.
Some considerations:
Faliures at low speed:
- the trick to mantain control is to cut immediatelty thrust
- even if RTO doesn't activate you are supposed to have enough RWY ahead to allow the time to get your feet on the brakes (if I am not wrong this delay is accounted in the performance calculation),
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Maui, I see 
sorry man. and thanks for the explaination
that is indeed a quandry, I think it was hard for me to believe. and I had a self-fulfilling phophesy
Keep It Straight...Keep An Eye On The VSI And Don't Let The Airplane Go Downhill D.P.D
rhov
sorry man. and thanks for the explaination that is indeed a quandry, I think it was hard for me to believe. and I had a self-fulfilling phophesy
Keep It Straight...Keep An Eye On The VSI And Don't Let The Airplane Go Downhill D.P.D
rhov
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I'm not arguing here, each to his own, but get a sim instructor to "surprise" you with an engine fail below autobrake speed during a sim detail. It's not the runway ahead that gets you, it's the lack of runway to the side. The aircraft swings immediately the engine fails and then your directional control problems start.
I'm not arguing here, each to his own, but get a sim instructor to "surprise" you with an engine fail below autobrake speed during a sim detail. It's not the runway ahead that gets you, it's the lack of runway to the side. The aircraft swings immediately the engine fails and then your directional control problems start.
