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BAE 146/RJ 100 after 2008??

Old 17th Aug 2006, 14:13
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BAE 146/RJ 100 after 2008??

Heard a rumour that this aircraft cannot fly after 2008?
Why could this be?Anybody can confirm this??
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 15:06
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Thin Albert,
It may concern the PRNAV capabilities, which, if not upgraded, will not allow the A/C to enter some of the busiest airports of Europe, like FRA, MUC or LHR.
There is (but it's only hearsay) a possibility that BAe will not invest anymore in the A/C upgrades (the hardware of the avionics was not designed to expand so much 20 years ago). If this is true, then you are correct, BAe 146's (the first ones concerned because most of them are not even GPS or IRS's equipped...) and later on the RJ could be removed from service in Europe .
If you have more info, let me know. I'm also a BAe 146/RJ user...
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Cityjet?

Presumably Cityjet would have taken this into account when it decided to acquire the ex-Mesaba RJ85s, due for delivery from November?

Not good news either for Swiss (RJ100s, some recently ex-Cityflyer/BA) or LCY.
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There are PRNAV upgrades available for the BAe 146/Avro RJ:
    and BAE Systems is offering a variety of upgrades and mods:
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          I'm sure my (fading) memory tells me that the ex-CFE RJ100s have GPS backed BRNAV. Surely that should make them suitable for a simple software upgrade to make them PRNAV compatible?
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          The recent Technical Support Operator's Conference in Glasgow and the earlier Flight Operations Conference near Woodford in February had plenty of presentations on what BAE SYSTEMS and suppliers are doing to support the long term life of the aircraft, not least from BAE and Honeywell on the PRNAV GNS-XLS upgrade. Your airline knows who to talk to, or should do, and should have no doubts what-so-ever about BAE SYSTEMS commitment to the aircraft well beyond 2008.
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          Old 17th Aug 2006, 18:30
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          Blue1

          A Finnish airline Blue1 flies currently RJ85s and RJ100s which are PRNAV compatible. I've no idea about the older BAe aircraft but at least you will see ARJs flying even after year 2008..
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          All good news I must say . However, there is never smoke without fire. Could it be a question of price? (Upgraded BAe 146, let's say versus a EMb 170 or equivalent airframe ) Add to that the price of fuel (four engines, remember) and the equation becomes somewhat more difficult to resolve for an airline.
          No doubt the RJ's will continue to fly for some time (and I'm sure CityJet took that into consideration) but for what concerns the BAe 146 basic airframes I'm more doubtfull. The cockpit is so old it would have to be changed for a completely new one??
          Thanks for the tips.
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          Well, of course it's a question of price. Aside from the higher maintenance etc costs that come with age, older aircraft are more likely to have less advanced systems of all kinds. None of this is news. It affects all aircraft, and the 146/RJ series is no different in this regard. There is nothing special about the 146 that would keep it from flying in the future that would not also affect any other aircraft of the same vintage. Whether any particular airframe is then worth upgrading to meet new standards is then of course a question of numerous factors, many of which boil down to price. For some it will be (case in point, Atlantic Airways is having it's 146s fitted with P-RNAV), for some, it will not. At this point, even some early build A320s are being parted out.
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