Midland A320 with possible gear problem at LHR
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Midland A320 with possible gear problem at LHR
If I have the misfortune to encounter this, please can I have this crew flying and the same ATC team too. Very cool, no drama and thankfully no problem in the end.
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Good News
Best way not being able to retract than the other way, once down keep it down until investigated.
Well done to all cannot be easy at places like Heathrow at that time of day on a Friday, hope all who was held up understood
Well done to all cannot be easy at places like Heathrow at that time of day on a Friday, hope all who was held up understood
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I'm sure there's a genuine reason, but since living near Heathrow for the last 2 years, I've seen over half a dozen A319/20/21's way out over Windsor way, climbing away from Heathrow with gear extended
And I mean heading out of sight with the gear still down. Almost seemed like one every week for a couple of months
And I mean heading out of sight with the gear still down. Almost seemed like one every week for a couple of months
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I'm sure there's a genuine reason, but since living near Heathrow for the last 2 years, I've seen over half a dozen A319/20/21's way out over Windsor way, climbing away from Heathrow with gear extended
EGLD take a look at these threads...
Landing gear retraction times
777 gear still down after take off?
Landing gear retraction times
777 gear still down after take off?
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it WAS very interesting!! Aircraft did think it was still on ground so all automatics lost for duration of flight...best practise EVER for the sim! ATC were fantastic and kept turns/frequency changes to minimum to help out. Thanks to all involved (if any of them ever read this, of course!)
is this something 'major' - this happens everywhere - is it just because its in London its of interest
I'd never considered that the aircraft logic might think it was still on the ground and what that might do to the flight deck workload.
In these days when there is practically no pilot/atc liason and certainly no feedback from these incidents to atc, I find pprune the only place I can pick up this information.
Many thanks to SNAFU AGAIN and HAND SOLO for taking the time to respond constructively.
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Originally Posted by SNAFU...AGAIN
it WAS very interesting!! Aircraft did think it was still on ground so all automatics lost for duration of flight...best practise EVER for the sim! ATC were fantastic and kept turns/frequency changes to minimum to help out. Thanks to all involved (if any of them ever read this, of course!)
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Originally Posted by Gonzo
Your licence says 'RAD', GT3, you got a chance to use it!!! 
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This is not the first time this has happened to an airbus.It is about time the manufacturer devised an alternate logic for the aircraft to think it is airborne and give you some autoflight.It might have been a different situation if LHR had been in LVP
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Asfkap I lost you after the third word!One of my companys '320s took off in lvp from the south of the uk and had a gear problem similiar to the midland and ended up in Manchester due to no afs!
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The airbus needs to know what phase of flight it is in for most things to work as advertised (taxi, take-off to 1500ft, take-off after 1500 ft etc). All hell is let loose on the crew with myriad warnings (eg TOO LOW GEAR) when you select gear up and the plane knows it is airborne (ie not on the ground with weight on gear) but the computers think it is in another phase of flight (like cruise, approach, landing).
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I suppose you couldn't fit another switch (guarded of course) in-between all the "glassware" to say "Yes, we really ARE off the ground"?
"No AP, no AT" - I don't suppose that the 2 guys up front could "fly" the thing?
("Dinosaur speaking - best to ignore )
"No AP, no AT" - I don't suppose that the 2 guys up front could "fly" the thing?
("Dinosaur speaking - best to ignore
)
