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reject for dog on runway
Hi all,
had a reject today , Aircraft ATR 72-500, speed 90 KIAS, reason dog on centerline.
Is it worth rejecting or is it safe ?,( I took the safer route , both lived )
we had to delay departure after maint. took a good look at the brakes and tires.
any one has similar experience ?
i have heard of buffalows intruding some years ago, Now that would really damage a nice aircraft .
had a reject today , Aircraft ATR 72-500, speed 90 KIAS, reason dog on centerline.
Is it worth rejecting or is it safe ?,( I took the safer route , both lived )
we had to delay departure after maint. took a good look at the brakes and tires.
any one has similar experience ?
i have heard of buffalows intruding some years ago, Now that would really damage a nice aircraft .
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Dead Dog on Runway
"Taegu Dropkick Blue 1 at 5 miles, joining initial with 4."
"Dropkick Blue 1 Taegu orbit your present position, we have a dead dog on the runway".
"Dropkick Blue 1 orbiting, section loose line astern go"..
4 pilots now pondering where else can we go, what with a wheels up aircaft yet to be cleared from the PSP runway. But a funny name for a gutzer. Fuel state?
Other sections now being told to orbit.
"Taegu, Dropkick Blue 1, we have 20 minutes, would you advise diversion."
"Dropkick Blue 1, Taegu, now clear to join initial with 4. You will be number 1 on the pitch, sorry for the hold, dead dog being picked up now.
Stupid thing was terminated by a landing aircraft. Advise 1 mile out."
"Dropkick Blue section reform echelon right go."
Anyone recall the US slang for a gutzer.
"Taegu Dropkick Blue 1 at 5 miles, joining initial with 4."
"Dropkick Blue 1 Taegu orbit your present position, we have a dead dog on the runway".
"Dropkick Blue 1 orbiting, section loose line astern go"..
4 pilots now pondering where else can we go, what with a wheels up aircaft yet to be cleared from the PSP runway. But a funny name for a gutzer. Fuel state?
Other sections now being told to orbit.
"Taegu, Dropkick Blue 1, we have 20 minutes, would you advise diversion."
"Dropkick Blue 1, Taegu, now clear to join initial with 4. You will be number 1 on the pitch, sorry for the hold, dead dog being picked up now.
Stupid thing was terminated by a landing aircraft. Advise 1 mile out."
"Dropkick Blue section reform echelon right go."
Anyone recall the US slang for a gutzer.
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I had a kangaroo strike on takeoff in an F27 a few decades ago, luckiest kangaroo on earth, the passengers swear that he passed THROUGH the prop disk and was bowled over by the undercarriage. Was last seen hopping off in a wobbly way into the bush.
Examination of the gear / gear strut did reveal a lot of fur and blood, but not a thing to be seen on the prop.
Canuckbirdstrike, you could open a whole new chapter of research on this (keep up the good work with the ornithological strikes).
Regards,
Smokey
Examination of the gear / gear strut did reveal a lot of fur and blood, but not a thing to be seen on the prop.
Canuckbirdstrike, you could open a whole new chapter of research on this (keep up the good work with the ornithological strikes).
Regards,
Smokey
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I got all excited for nought. seems my dyklestica got me again. I thought it said "Dog for reject on runway" and thought it might have been someone I knew. 
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I was approaching to land at San Luis Obispo, CA. a few years back when the tower transmitted the following..
"Westwind 1124F, slow to minimum approach speed and be prepared for a go-around, we have reports of a stray dog on the runway."
A short while later I was told,
"Westwind 1124F, security has told us they have chased the dog off the runway. You are now cleared to land, caution wake turbulence, departing canine."
By the way, what\'s a "Gutzer"?
"Westwind 1124F, slow to minimum approach speed and be prepared for a go-around, we have reports of a stray dog on the runway."
A short while later I was told,
"Westwind 1124F, security has told us they have chased the dog off the runway. You are now cleared to land, caution wake turbulence, departing canine."
By the way, what\'s a "Gutzer"?
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Gutzer or Gutser
A landing without the gear being down.
On its guts. A common military term.
Some temporary pilots have done a gutser because the noise of the U/C warning horn prevented the pilot from hearing go-rounds from ATC.
A landing without the gear being down.
On its guts. A common military term.
Some temporary pilots have done a gutser because the noise of the U/C warning horn prevented the pilot from hearing go-rounds from ATC.
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Rejected a takeoff at Tindal many years ago due to family of Dingoes on the runway , firetruck dispatched to remove Dingoes , second takeoff rejected due to several large kites on runway ............................drinking the water sprayed to get rid of the dingoes .
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Last year I hit something on T/O from Istanbul. (737-800)
We were doing about 110 kts, when I saw something, which I thought was a cat, running into the landinglight beam from the left. We were getting close to V1, continued the t/o.
Once airborne, I did my best to inform the TWR that we might have hit a cat during our T/O roll and that they should check the runway. After some initial language problems they said they would.
Later on during the flight we were informed by Sofia CTRL that IST had found a dead dog on the runway.
Turned out we had hit it with the left main LDG Gear. Not much damage at all, luckily. Wrote it up as a dog strike in the ASR .
We were doing about 110 kts, when I saw something, which I thought was a cat, running into the landinglight beam from the left. We were getting close to V1, continued the t/o.
Once airborne, I did my best to inform the TWR that we might have hit a cat during our T/O roll and that they should check the runway. After some initial language problems they said they would.
Later on during the flight we were informed by Sofia CTRL that IST had found a dead dog on the runway.
Turned out we had hit it with the left main LDG Gear. Not much damage at all, luckily. Wrote it up as a dog strike in the ASR .
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Clipped a dear about 15 years ago on takeoff in a C150. The lucky thing is I was doing a soft field takeoff so I had the nose up and the plane in the air a little earlier than during a regular takeoff.
The strike ripped the right gear back in to the fuselage. We flew to our home field and landed with the gear still embeddd in the fuselage. Needless to say it was a rough landing
The strike ripped the right gear back in to the fuselage. We flew to our home field and landed with the gear still embeddd in the fuselage. Needless to say it was a rough landing
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I can feel it coming!!
Someone must have had to deal with an elephant.
Back of the black stump, we in Oz often have to clear the strip of sheep and cattle and the occasional buffalo. Snakes don't count although a female pilot of a commuter float plane in transit Palm Beach to Rose Bay, Sydney once found one entwined around the rudder bar. I know - how did it get on to a floater?
Someone must have had to deal with an elephant.
Back of the black stump, we in Oz often have to clear the strip of sheep and cattle and the occasional buffalo. Snakes don't count although a female pilot of a commuter float plane in transit Palm Beach to Rose Bay, Sydney once found one entwined around the rudder bar. I know - how did it get on to a floater?
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I aborted a takeoff in Kikondja, Zaire, because of a man down the runway: being used to all sorts of living forms on our airstrips, I started to roll, sure he would have pulled off to one side easily.
But instead of doing so, he started to run on the middle of the runway, like in some movies (!), running and watching behind him the airplane - an Islander - closing in.
He thought he could run faster than the airplane!!!
Just before hitting the ***, I aborted.
We had to shut down, hung to the tail to raise the nose and be able to turn 180° on the naaaaarrow strip, start the engines, roll again uphill, shut down, do the same trick, start again and then takeoff, at last!
Another era...
But instead of doing so, he started to run on the middle of the runway, like in some movies (!), running and watching behind him the airplane - an Islander - closing in.
He thought he could run faster than the airplane!!!
Just before hitting the ***, I aborted.
We had to shut down, hung to the tail to raise the nose and be able to turn 180° on the naaaaarrow strip, start the engines, roll again uphill, shut down, do the same trick, start again and then takeoff, at last!
Another era...
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Legend has it that there's a warthog that hangs out at the airstrip at Phinda game reserve in Kwa Zulu Natal.
Apparently the rangers named it Dunlop after it managed to survive being rolled over by one.
Greg
Apparently the rangers named it Dunlop after it managed to survive being rolled over by one.
Greg
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Sorry I haven't posted on this topic until now I got tied up with work!
Rejecting the take-off at any time for other than a clear and simple obvious serious problem is a tough decision that we pilots may be faced with. For encounters with mammals we have not been provided with a great deal of information on the issue - because there isn't any. With so many mammal types with different behaviours and no requirement to test and/or certify aircraft for a mammal data there is a complete absence of data on what might happen and what we should do.
As far as mammal strikes go, while not as common as bird strikes they do occur and interestingly from the available data cause more damage. The issue though is available data - no jurisdiction that I have found in my research compels pilots to file a bird/mammal strike report. Hence we get only roughly 20% of the data. Many airlines and airports collect the data, but are reluctant to share the data with regulators out of concern over potential liability.
In North America the most commonly struck mammal is the Deer. The consequences of these deer strikes are severe including complete hull loss and death or severe injury of the flight crew. With the recent exploding deer populations in North America the data from incurance companies is revealing that there is rarely a day goes by that an aircraft is not damaged by a deer encounter.
Good story about the pig. Recently a crew landed at a Canadian airport and just as they were leaving the runway saw a 150+lb pig. Quite a saga to track it down, but it has been suggested that a Pigs On Runway Kill (PORK) program would solve the problem. There has also been great speculation on what the smeel would have been like if part of the beast was ingested in the engine - bacon?
A final point concerns small bird strikes - starlings. Be aware that these are birds that travel in very large flocks and carry out pre-roosting flights. If you run into one of these flocks you can be in big trouble. Starlings are very dense (large mass/small size - not stupid) and they will hit multiple engines. It should be noted that the worst bird strike accident was in 1960 whyne a Lockheed Electra turboprop struck a flcok of stralings. One engine was shutdown and the remaining engines lost power the aircraft crashed with the loss of 62 lives.
Richard
Rejecting the take-off at any time for other than a clear and simple obvious serious problem is a tough decision that we pilots may be faced with. For encounters with mammals we have not been provided with a great deal of information on the issue - because there isn't any. With so many mammal types with different behaviours and no requirement to test and/or certify aircraft for a mammal data there is a complete absence of data on what might happen and what we should do.
As far as mammal strikes go, while not as common as bird strikes they do occur and interestingly from the available data cause more damage. The issue though is available data - no jurisdiction that I have found in my research compels pilots to file a bird/mammal strike report. Hence we get only roughly 20% of the data. Many airlines and airports collect the data, but are reluctant to share the data with regulators out of concern over potential liability.
In North America the most commonly struck mammal is the Deer. The consequences of these deer strikes are severe including complete hull loss and death or severe injury of the flight crew. With the recent exploding deer populations in North America the data from incurance companies is revealing that there is rarely a day goes by that an aircraft is not damaged by a deer encounter.
Good story about the pig. Recently a crew landed at a Canadian airport and just as they were leaving the runway saw a 150+lb pig. Quite a saga to track it down, but it has been suggested that a Pigs On Runway Kill (PORK) program would solve the problem. There has also been great speculation on what the smeel would have been like if part of the beast was ingested in the engine - bacon?
A final point concerns small bird strikes - starlings. Be aware that these are birds that travel in very large flocks and carry out pre-roosting flights. If you run into one of these flocks you can be in big trouble. Starlings are very dense (large mass/small size - not stupid) and they will hit multiple engines. It should be noted that the worst bird strike accident was in 1960 whyne a Lockheed Electra turboprop struck a flcok of stralings. One engine was shutdown and the remaining engines lost power the aircraft crashed with the loss of 62 lives.
Richard
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The Australian AIP , at ENR 1.12 Air Traffic Incidents, 3.2.1 (o) , lists "a collision with an animal, including a bird" as a RRM (Routinely Reportable Matter).
RRM require a written report to the ATSB (Australian Transport Safety Bureau) within 72 hours.
The Australian AIP , at ENR 1.12 Air Traffic Incidents, 3.2.1 (o) , lists "a collision with an animal, including a bird" as a RRM (Routinely Reportable Matter).
RRM require a written report to the ATSB (Australian Transport Safety Bureau) within 72 hours.