Safe Landing despite Loss of Controls
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From: ZRH
BoeingMEL
I guess to all on board, their relatives, and not least the airline, that is what counts in the end.
I really take issue with the fact that whenever a "well done" is posted in this forum, it appears there will be an immediate "so what, that is his job" reply.
Yes. We all do our jobs, we all have times when things go right or wrong. I prefer to not only hear of the aftermaths of things that have gone wrong, but also of situations that have been handled well and professionally.
After all, the crew involved did not queue up to go into the limelight, it was their own airline who got them there by mistake, they did their job, did it well and I don't see anything wrong with a pat on the back for a non routine situation well managed.
Best regards
AN2 Driver
(other than getting down in one piece?)
I really take issue with the fact that whenever a "well done" is posted in this forum, it appears there will be an immediate "so what, that is his job" reply.
Yes. We all do our jobs, we all have times when things go right or wrong. I prefer to not only hear of the aftermaths of things that have gone wrong, but also of situations that have been handled well and professionally.
After all, the crew involved did not queue up to go into the limelight, it was their own airline who got them there by mistake, they did their job, did it well and I don't see anything wrong with a pat on the back for a non routine situation well managed.
Best regards
AN2 Driver
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From: Mahlangeni
Zigzactly
Croqueteer sez it right.
The Avro Rj is not "landed" at Vref - 7 kts. The landing starts at 50'. There you should have Vref. Then that is bled off till you (ideally) have Vref - 7 kts upon wheel touchdown. This (BAe) method keeps you within the TDZ and you hardly need brakes like this unless flying to LHR (minimal runway occupancy time) or LCY (obviously).
Obviously corrections for wind/icing would be added (max 14 kts).
safe flying
The Avro Rj is not "landed" at Vref - 7 kts. The landing starts at 50'. There you should have Vref. Then that is bled off till you (ideally) have Vref - 7 kts upon wheel touchdown. This (BAe) method keeps you within the TDZ and you hardly need brakes like this unless flying to LHR (minimal runway occupancy time) or LCY (obviously).
Obviously corrections for wind/icing would be added (max 14 kts).
safe flying
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From: 38N
Dani says:
I sometimes think about NEMPs (nuclear electro-magnetic impulses). Those would be the end for a FBW aircraft. But also for the rest of the world...
I sometimes think about NEMPs (nuclear electro-magnetic impulses). Those would be the end for a FBW aircraft. But also for the rest of the world...
BBBBBUT, as I understand it, Mother Nature, in her capricious and pan-galactic way, can quite conceivably bring in both local and also VERY large (global) pulses of EMP-style energy that will do the same trick.
If a bit of mega-EMP from somewhere out there in the galaxies suddenly happens, it will be a bad day for laptops, cell-phones and mp3 players....and for all-electronic anythings that might be hurtling through space at the time, including most automobiles, elevators and gyro-stabilized scooters.
But will that be the end number for aircraft with electronics-intensive control systems? We know how to fairly well manage the EMP problem in flying machines......I really wonder if our current generations of commercial aircraft have that particular magic designed-in and installed - or not?
Does anybody here know if current FBW aircraft have EMP ride-thru capability? It would seem an oversight to leave it out.
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From: AMS
Just for Info....
It was the D-AVRO (what a coincedence!)
It didn't happen in cruise but on the approach, after disconnecting the AP. The crew made a G/A and solved the problem. Without rushing they prepared for an emergency landing. They landed (unspectacular) safe! A 'well done' to my colleages!
It was the D-AVRO (what a coincedence!)
It didn't happen in cruise but on the approach, after disconnecting the AP. The crew made a G/A and solved the problem. Without rushing they prepared for an emergency landing. They landed (unspectacular) safe! A 'well done' to my colleages!
