7e7 side stick?
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I started this thread to see the reaction & views of members by making up the (rumour) that "Boeing would be using side sticks on the 7e7"! Looking at the replies it looks as though Boeing will probably be using the old fashion yoke instead of the modern side stick. quotes............
"The reason you will not see a sidestick on a Boeing aircraft is all the Boeing senior engineers think that system is unsafe. That is probably a lot to do with "NIH".
"The 777 and the 7e7 were to be on a combined type rating as per the 757 and 767. If the 7e7 were to have a side stick this surely couldn't happen".
Isn't this "a big step backwards" in the developement of modern day aircraft?
nooluv...............
"The reason you will not see a sidestick on a Boeing aircraft is all the Boeing senior engineers think that system is unsafe. That is probably a lot to do with "NIH".
"The 777 and the 7e7 were to be on a combined type rating as per the 757 and 767. If the 7e7 were to have a side stick this surely couldn't happen".
Isn't this "a big step backwards" in the developement of modern day aircraft?
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Actually there is a part of A310 that's FBW, spoilers...
Having flown both Yoke and side-stick, it's my personal preference for the side-stick. It took me like 5 minutes to get acquainted to it.
Unfortunately, now I have to live with
yoke.
Hopefully, it won't be for long...
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Having flown both Yoke and side-stick, it's my personal preference for the side-stick. It took me like 5 minutes to get acquainted to it.
Unfortunately, now I have to live with
yoke. Hopefully, it won't be for long...
Check Six, Krueger...
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After 9 years of FBW I'm back on the Boeing and while I do miss the tray table I enjoy the way the 757 flys. X-wind landings in the 320 are only a problem at first because of the change to direct law in the flare you get a little more sensitivity. I had to fly an approach in Direct Law in a winter storm with a 15 kt x-wind and it turned out to be a non event. Side sticks are very intuitive but you get more feedback from trimming and flying the aircraft. That being said, a lot of the F/Os I fly with are very happy to turn on the autopilot at 800' and keep it on until short final. Of course they are not as up to speed when ATC dumps them in hot and high or in the sim where they have to fly by hand but that's their own choice. I'd rather fly the plane myself.
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FBW
I fly because I like flying... If you have no feedback and can't feel what the aircraft is doing, where's the fun.
I hand fly the aircraft as much as I can, traffic and congestion permitting, up to cruise altitudes and back down from TOD.
Wouln't think that it would be as much fun with no feedback from "Sidestick". Call me old fashioned but I think that tactile clues and feedback makes a big difference when flying not only by giving pilot a better idea what the aircraft automatic systems are doing thus increasing awareness and increasing safety.
JJ
I hand fly the aircraft as much as I can, traffic and congestion permitting, up to cruise altitudes and back down from TOD.
Wouln't think that it would be as much fun with no feedback from "Sidestick". Call me old fashioned but I think that tactile clues and feedback makes a big difference when flying not only by giving pilot a better idea what the aircraft automatic systems are doing thus increasing awareness and increasing safety.
JJ
JJ Flyer-and how about throttles which move? I've once or twice seen throttles very slowly go forward when setting a higher altitude and pushing the VNAV button years ago on the 757-almost no response. You have two good sources of feedback, instead of just staring at the EPRs etc. It was much easier to realize that the autopilot might need to be disconnected; reset both flt. director switches and an autopilot button (one of three) + VNAV and hdg select.
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I fly because I like flying... If you have no feedback and can't feel what the aircraft is doing, where's the fun.
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Exactly my fellow Earnest,
Although not a Viper Driver anymore, but Bus Driver, sorry, AirBus Driver, I can't say I didn't have fun flying that Ferrari. Au contraire... It gave everysingle feeling of what it was doing, even if you pulling 9 G
So I'm all for FBW, although I went a little time travel on aviation tech since now I'm driving A310.
Oh Well! The end of the month is better now.
Check Six Krueger...
Although not a Viper Driver anymore, but Bus Driver, sorry, AirBus Driver, I can't say I didn't have fun flying that Ferrari. Au contraire... It gave everysingle feeling of what it was doing, even if you pulling 9 G
So I'm all for FBW, although I went a little time travel on aviation tech since now I'm driving A310.
Oh Well! The end of the month is better now.
Check Six Krueger...
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Wouln't think that it would be as much fun with no feedback from "Sidestick"
Whoever suggested to you that sidesticks provide no force or motion feed back cues needs a clip round the ear
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Boeing Selects...
Not sure if this has been posted, but I guess this settles the sidestick question...
- Michael
Not sure if this has been posted, but I guess this settles the sidestick question...
- Michael
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Good confirmation:
I was speaking with one of the top Exec's of Boeing just yesterday, regarding something else entirely. Managed to ask him the same question, got the same answer as above.
Great to hear, as I said to him. I also mentioned the 'fighter type' control stick of the C-17, and the FBW/sidestick systems, and he just shook his head!
What a relief!!
Cheers
I was speaking with one of the top Exec's of Boeing just yesterday, regarding something else entirely. Managed to ask him the same question, got the same answer as above.
Great to hear, as I said to him. I also mentioned the 'fighter type' control stick of the C-17, and the FBW/sidestick systems, and he just shook his head!
What a relief!!
Cheers
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I have deleted a number of posts from this thread.
This thread is not to become yet another Boeing vs. Airbus thread, nor is this forum for petty squabbles about which manufacturer people prefer.
How many times do people have to be warned?
This thread is not to become yet another Boeing vs. Airbus thread, nor is this forum for petty squabbles about which manufacturer people prefer.
How many times do people have to be warned?
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So Stable,where do you draw the line?Before or after epithets like "scarebus"." airboos" and the like?
Or is it just after "lumbering business" (a 320 in the trees)?
You might notice that the AvsB wars are seldom started by Airbus drivers.
You might as well delete the whole thread as the war...it's there!
As far as I am concerned and taking into account that I was one of the censored posters,I enjoy a good discussion.
Apparently so do others,considering the rating this thread got.
Or is it just after "lumbering business" (a 320 in the trees)?
You might notice that the AvsB wars are seldom started by Airbus drivers.
You might as well delete the whole thread as the war...it's there!
As far as I am concerned and taking into account that I was one of the censored posters,I enjoy a good discussion.
Apparently so do others,considering the rating this thread got.
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Lemurian, I have been away flying for the past few days, so I have only recently been able to draw any sort of line.
As far as you are concerned, the rules are quite clear, I hope. I don't care if the thread is popular. I will not permit flame wars on what is intended to be an informative forum.
If you don't like that, please let me know, and I can very quickly arrange that you will not need to be further troubled by the details of keeping to the rules.
The same goes for anyone else.
Like it, or do the other thing. I don't accept excuses, and I don't take prisoners. Abide by the rules, stay out, or be banned.
Your call.
As far as you are concerned, the rules are quite clear, I hope. I don't care if the thread is popular. I will not permit flame wars on what is intended to be an informative forum.
If you don't like that, please let me know, and I can very quickly arrange that you will not need to be further troubled by the details of keeping to the rules.
The same goes for anyone else.
Like it, or do the other thing. I don't accept excuses, and I don't take prisoners. Abide by the rules, stay out, or be banned.
Your call.
