Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Tech Log
Reload this Page >

Turbo prop JAR perf category

Wikiposts
Search

Notices
Tech Log The very best in practical technical discussion on the web

Turbo prop JAR perf category

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 28th November 2003 | 21:24
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: London
Turbo prop JAR perf category

What JAR Performance category does a 6500kg Turboprop aircraft come under do you think?

Thanks in advance.
let_me_fly is offline  
Old 29th November 2003 | 02:01
  #2 (permalink)  
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 1998
Posts: 4,282
Likes: 6
From: Escapee from Ultima Thule
Are you referring to IFR perf. categories eg A to E? What is the subject a/c's Vat?
Tinstaafl is offline  
Old 29th November 2003 | 04:47
  #3 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: London
Its ok I got it. Turboprops over 5700kg fall into JAR Performance-A.

Thanks anyway.
let_me_fly is offline  
Old 29th November 2003 | 06:14
  #4 (permalink)  
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 1998
Posts: 4,282
Likes: 6
From: Escapee from Ultima Thule
Oh, OK. That would be certification categories?
Tinstaafl is offline  
Old 29th November 2003 | 07:12
  #5 (permalink)  

Aviator
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 483
Likes: 0
From: Norveg
Nope; performance categories under JAR OPS. Has to do with the actual operation of the aircraft, not certification.
Crossunder is offline  
Old 29th November 2003 | 23:03
  #6 (permalink)  
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 1998
Posts: 4,282
Likes: 6
From: Escapee from Ultima Thule
Yes. To me' Performance Category' relates to IFR criteria for approaches. Is JAR now using the same term for something completely different?
Tinstaafl is offline  
Old 30th November 2003 | 23:43
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
From: Variing
Tinstaafl,

the ICAO calls it:

AIRCRAFT APPROACH CATEGORY (ICAO)

The following ICAO table indicates the specified range of handling speeds (IAS in Knots) for each category of aircraft to perform the maneuvers specified. These speed ranges have been assumed for use in calculating airspace and obstacle clearance for each procedure.

Cat A Vat <90 kts
Cat B Vat 91-120 kts
Cat C Vat 121-140 kts
Cat D Vat 141-165 kts
Cat E Vat 166-210 kts

Vat - Speed at threshold based on 1.3 times stall speed in the landing configuration at maximum certificated landing mass.


the JAA JAROPS calls it:
Performance class, either A, B or C
A is covered under Subpart G - all Jets and all turboprops with more than 9 paxseats or more than 5700kg/12500lbs MTOW are to be operated under this subpart
B is covered under Subpart H - for Prop driven aeroplanes under 5700kg/12500lbs MTOW and 9 or less Paxseats
C is covered under Subpart I - recip engine driven A/C of more than 9 Seats and more than 5700kg/12500 lbs

(check subpart F - Performance General)

Last edited by Airking; 30th November 2003 at 23:56.
Airking is offline  
Old 1st December 2003 | 04:47
  #8 (permalink)  
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 1998
Posts: 4,282
Likes: 6
From: Escapee from Ultima Thule
Oh, ta. Now I geddit.
Tinstaafl is offline  
Old 10th December 2003 | 23:10
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
From: home
Airking,

Your post implies that those two things are one and the same with a different name for ICAO and JAA.

However, this is not the case. As describe in JAR-OPS 1 subpart F, an operator shall ensure that aircraft in a specific performance class (A,B, or C as in your post) are operated in accordance to the specific subparts describing those performance classes (subparts G, H and I). In those subparts specific performance requirements can be found such as: screen height, climb gradients, T/O and landing distances, minimum height and more.

In subpart E, JAR also makes a division in Aircraft Category, based on Vat, this is the same as with ICAO as in your post. Those categories are used when determining the MDH/DH and minimum RVR for an approach.

So, any aircraft will be placed in a performance class (A,B,C) and in a Aircraft Category (A,B,C,D,E). And yes, both are used with respect to performance, but in a different way. Indeed a bit confusing.
FlatBread is offline  
Old 10th December 2003 | 23:17
  #10 (permalink)  
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 1998
Posts: 4,282
Likes: 6
From: Escapee from Ultima Thule
Ah. I didn't geddit before even though I thought I did geddit. Now I think I geddit again, only more so.
Tinstaafl is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.