Not a Trident puke myself but remember many years ago at the hold at Glasgow as a BA Trident came in. Reversers deployed on outboard engines at about 30 feet.
Asked my instructor (who was a Trident FO) what that was about. Stated that it was quite common to "get the bl**dy thing on the ground!".
So, yawn away BOAC!

BA 465 MAD - LHR Sunday 21/01/07
 

Hi All,

I noticed the BA465 from Madrid to LHR almost got canned on Sunday, the aircraft was a 75 (G-CPES I think) that seemed to have an issue when starting the r/h engine.

The engineering team arrived with a ladder and changed something that was situated inside the engine pylon (on the side of the aircraft body), a few mins later the engine was restarted and the aircraft departed.

Does anyone know the problem was? or what equipment may have been replaced within the pylons? Just to feed my intereset !! (And to learn more)

Thanks,

Adam

B737 tech delay
 

I'm sat at gate 19 at NCL at the moment, waiting for a technical delay on my flight home to Bristol (EZ569). It's a 737 (not sure which type), registration ending JP.

As the crew went onto the plane, I noticed a bloke getting up into a cavity behind the nose gear a couple of times. It was obviously big enough for him to pull himself up into it completely, and sit with just his feet dangling out. Having done that a couple of times, he shut the cavity, and then the delay was announced.

What is in there, and might it give any clue as to why I'm still sitting here?:bored:

Thanks,

Steve.

Electrics and Instruments bay......... most of the 'black boxes'. Here -

http://www.b737.org.uk/eandebay.htm

Now you can pop outside and tell him what's wrong.:)

Electronic and Equipment (E&E) Bay

Night flight over Moskwa, 1992
 

In May 1992, I occupied a left window seat of Cathay Pacific flight from HKG to LHR, departed 00.15. The CX flight flew the "great circle" which overflew, most of the hours ,ex USSR air space.

The F/A religiously told all passengers to keep the window shutters closed at all times. It was dark and everybody were sleeping, so it was okay with me, but a fellow passenger at the right side tried to have a peek, almost at once two of the female F/A urgently ,or in an almost "histeric" instruction requested him to close it immediately.

Fifteen minutes later, the cabin was in a total peace and silence. The light was dimmed to almost totally dark. I managed to lift my window shutter about an inch. Through the gap, in the faint moonlight, I could recognized two forms of jet fighters, down below at 7 o'clock position.

My question is, was it normal if a commercial flight overflying that area escorted or threaten by jet fighters? If yes then who paid the fuel bill for those fighters? Or it was just a close encounter like the unfortunate KAL 007 over Kamchatka ?

Thanks for any illuminating answer or information given to this question.

PK-GDU

Landed okay, but cannot take off again...
 

Are any of you folks aware of such an incident?

An aircraft managing to land safely on a short runway (in an emergency for example), but then not having enough runway to take off, effectively permanently grounding the a/c??

Hardly likely. If it got in - it'll get out - stripped.

http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1001607

http://www.thirdamendment.com/wrongway.html

A south African airline retired a 747-SP fairly recently which was donated to an aviation museum and landed on a runway at an aviation museum from where it would never take off again...quite a few videos of the landing if you google for it...the strip was almost too narrow for the 747's gear to fit on...!

Concorde at Duxford ?

Concorde would probably have managed to get out of Duxford OK if it wasn't for the fact that immediately after its arrival the runway got shortened so they could route the M11 through. However, I think the B52 at Duxford arrived after this time and it's the shortest runway ever used for one of them, with no chance of getting it up again.

VC-10 at Brooklands??

Mexican Gulfstream made an emergency landing in an Irish race course many years ago, they had to built a runway to get it out.

Saudi B747-100 landed with a full load of passengers at a military runway in Madras India, that runway was too short for the aircraft to takeoff, however it was stripped to make it capable of taking off from a 2nd runway.

Mutt

Vibration at V1
 

I came back from Bergamo to Edinburgh on Sunday with Jet2.com (733 - Ex BA?) and at V1 there was a strong vibration that felt like it was coming from the port engine.

Question is, is that normal or something to be concerned about?

Also, on both the outbound and return flights we were delayed by about an hour due to "air traffic flow-control restrictions" - is that a valid excuse or was the 25 minute turn around just too tight?

Thanks!

The Steed

So how do you know you were at V1? Flow control.... yes a valid excuse.

Can you describe the sound any better? Where were you sitting? Did the cabin crew look concerned?

We were rotating (apologies if that's not V1 :)).

I was in row 6 or 7C and it lasted for about two or three seconds - kinda hard to describe the noise other than like the noise when the engine first spools up accompanied with the shakes!

(Couldn't see the cabin crew but they went about their business as normal).

This may of been the nose wheel still spinning as the aircraft left the runway. It can pick up a bit of a shimmy sometimes as it leaves the tarmac. I can't think what else it could of been. If the cabin crew did not seem to notice anything, then don't worry. Also, the speed on rotation is referred to as Vr. Hope this helps.

With regards to steering the aircraft while taxiing. On a lot of the larger jets (i.e. 747), the nose wheels are steered using a hand operated steering 'tiller' (via cables and hydraulic actuators), there is also an input from the rudder pedals, if I remember correctly, only active below 80 knots and only moves the steering by about 6 degrees, mainly used for keeping plane straight during the take off and landing roll. Some crews will use during normal taxiing for small corrections. Also on the 747 while taxiing, once the nose wheels go past a certain angle (20 degrees ?) the main body gear also steers, but in the opposite direction, to relieve the stress on the legs and assist with turning the rear of the aircraft.

We elect to leave our gear down for longer than normal periods of time at times of heavy rain or snow/slush on the taxiway/runway to "blow" away water/slush/snow that may have stuck on the gear. Arriving at an offshore rig and not being able to drop the gear is very embarrassing.

'Relative Motion' dear boy. The fact that you, the viewer, is moving affects the apparent motion of another object. Have you noticed how lamp posts whizz past you in a car. Is the lamp post whizzing, or are you observing it to apparently? And who put that lamp post in a car anyway?

Now get back to your school work- it's still term time. To get anywhere, you have to be better than the next guy.

As Rainboe says relative motion but also can be an illusion. South af Ayr is a place known as Electric Brae, if you go there the illusion is basically it looks as though you are going uphill when in fact you are going down hill!
Also can be due to looking at fixed reference points. Saw a Tornado on Monday low flying in the distance. it looked as though it was in level flight at an extreme 30 - 40 degree nose up attiude, the second a/c of the pair appeared level. Realised it was my brain being tricked by the reference points is was comparing it to!

Question About The 737-300 Series
 

i was on a KLM 737-300 flight from Schipol Amsterdam to Aberdeen today, and i was sitting in row 18f behind the wing and engines. I noticed once we took off and much turbulence a flap opened on the first pod on the wing behind the engine..... inside it looked like a cap was there... was it an inspection flap?? should it have been open??? it was above a slightly risen bit on the wing transparent looking?? was it the fuel pump access flap?? was it right to be open????

I'm sorry but your description makes no sense. you'll have to be more specific and accurate. Was it a speedbrake on top of the wing?

Give the man a break
 

He's obviously just a pax who doesn't know the technicalities between flaps/spoiler/inspection panels. His description is accurate enough to be able to understand that what was seen was an inspection/access panel. What exactly it's access to is irrelevant in my opinion. As for whether it should have opened, the answer to that is certainly not, but it's not a problem these things do occasionaly open if they haven't been closed properly after regular maintenance. It just requires closing/replacing when you reach destination/maintenance base dependent on whether it's been damaged or not.
Hope that answer helps you out.

Is this not a light on the 737?

One time I noticed a oval opening in the pylon above the engine. After landing they brought a ladder to that area but I left so it could have been anything. Curious, I watched next flight. There when we took off, but open after landing. I figured that was normal then.

What's up with that?

access panel
 

Ok yes it must have been an inspection access point... To be clearer to the person who dosent understand...

I was sitting behing the wings, and you know how a wing has the white bits to help the flaps extend, the first one seems to be behind the engine and appears to lok like a fuel tank to me??? am i right guys???? above the hole was at the side of the pod and the pod leads to the engine under the wing..... if you follow it with your eyes..

I got very nervous at 24k feet and this flapping around and i take it was access to the fuel pump is that right???

i am a very technically minded 32 yr old woman and trying to learn!!! was annoyed it was open

Don't worry, Mairi - he only flies the aircraft:). At least Johnny FP understood:ok:

inspection panel
 

who the person who didnt know what im on about???? and was it wrong by the way

Right you lot settle down! I asked the lady perfectly nicely (for me) to explain more fully exactly where and what she was talking about.
Is this it? http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file/1170415/M/

No doubt an engineer will explain- I only count wings on my walkaround- 2 in number (hopefully). However it is not an important panel (the one on top of the fairing in front of the teardrop thingy?). It carries no load.

You might not believe it, but even the mighty 747, whose flap fairings (it just hides all the mechanism for holding and driving the flap out) are as large as bathtubs are broad, can fly without the fairing fitted. When they crack (they are only fibreglass), they are removed altogether from that position until a new spare can be delivered. It exposes all the mechanism to the air. Is it important? Not in the least. http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file/0595976/M/

So if the whole darn fairing is not needed, a little access panel in the fairing is less important than brushing your teeth at night to prevent decay if you wear dentures anyway.

ok that now makes sense. I wish i could fly a 737 ort anything for that matter!!!

You been flying long??

no thats the flaps as you know see the pod like thing that support the flaps to move the hole was in the side of it

ok reading my threads i dont think i described it very well. I will try again.


Wings and flaps were normal

If you look at the wing from the window looking out you see the back of engine (if you behind it) and three white or silver pod like things attached to the wing i think they help the flaps extend....

The closest is in line with the engine at the back and looks a slightly different shape?? a fuel tank perhaps???

It had a compartment looking bit that blew open and the hole was in the side of this pod like thing and you could see inside it it looked like a cap or something????

its not the wing iteslf if you look at the pic its not the wing its the bit that sticks out and stays straight when the flaps go down like the pic is there but it was the one closest to the window behind the engine

if you look at the picture, see how the flaps have extended... the big solid straight bit that hasnt, one of them!!! now the hole that was open was at the side so you could have put your hand in and it would have ended up under the risen dome bit as you see in picture... is that the fuelpump??

do pilots inspect all the doors/panels/hatches etc on a plane before they fly or is it th engineers job

I think Mairi is right. If a passenger can notice that. Why can't ground or flight crew?

If a really nervous passenger notices something like that. It could send them into a plind panic. Think on KLM

Mairi, I don't know what the risen teardrop domey thing is at the top, but on the side of this fairing, as far as I remember, you have channels, or tracks that a sticky outy thing on the ends and sides of the flaps run in. Inside the big fairing is a very large broom handle metal thing (screwjack) with a thick thread on it. This turns rapidly, and a large nut thing attached to the flap runs up and down it the screwjack. This makes the flaps move backwards and forwards, and the channel in the side of the fairing, into which the end of the flap thing runs, curves, making the flaps angle downwards according to how far they run along the screwjack. I don't recall a panel there because the flap would scrunch it. I think you saw the channel and it was meant to do that.

Now BOAC has been flying the beast for far longer than me, so I now hand over to him, he heap smart.............

tech stuff
 

Im not blaming KLM big frankie but maybe we have a point here??? Perhaps i am too nervous??? I am used to paying incredible attn to detail and maybe too much, but i just would like to know whats potentially dangerous and whats not its nae fun at 24k ft!!! a hole does not look good!!! But perhaps its normal??

Time to close the panel on this one, I feel.

No it should not have been open - most likely an engineer's error, but it could have been a failure of the fasteners.

It is very difficult to check all the panels on an aeroplane - counting wings is enough for some:)

It would almost certainly not cause a problem in flight, but panels coming open/falling on people on the ground - not good.

If you see this again, ask the cabin crew. They should be able to judge whether or not a pilot needs to come and have a look

I think we can close this one with Mairi a little wiser. If she wants to learn a little more, this excellent web site will help.

http://www.b737.org.uk/flightcontrols.htm

Hi Mairi.

As usual. we'll get told what we want to hear from the big wigs. It's good to see others on this forum have got OUR intrests at heart.

I hope you weren't to distressed with the incident?

I've wanted to know what this was all about for some years...
 

About 10 years ago, I was sitting, as I still do now, watching the comings and goings at Liverpool. A 737 lined up on rwy 27, then throttled up and rolled to take off...

...as I watched it through binoculars, I saw a panel, about (?) 10+ feet behind the wing, on the underside was most definitely OPEN!!

I phoned the airport on my mobile to tell them what I'd seen, never heard anything from it??

Any ideas?:confused::confused::confused:

Hi clifftop....

I've thought about your comments, and the only access doors in that sort of area are the potable water and toilet servicing doors, unless it was an AEW&C 737 in which case it may have been the aft EWSP system magazine(s), but then again, you may also have noticed the surfboard on the top!

Just kidding...FD.. :O

On the right hand side, below the tailplane? Most probably the pressurisation outflow valve.

FAO Mairi
 

The 'sticky out' bits you refer to on the wing are the boat or canoe fairings.They provide an aerodynamic covering for the trailing edge flap drive system.The Number 3 and 6 fairings behind the engines are shaped differently from the others.The inboard flap section runs from the fuselage body fairing into these (The flap outboard of the engines is a totally different section).There is a channel cut out of the inboard face of the engine pylon boat fairing at production which allows the flap mechanism to run back along its track(which is hidden by the fairing).When the flaps are up this hole is filled by a spring loaded plate,referred to by Boeing as the 'Inboard Flap Midflap Torque Shaft Clearance Door'.
The CDL -an approved document that shows the crews and us engineers what panels/doors/components the a/c can fly without -allows the 737-300 to fly minus both these doors (one on each wing) with only a minimal enroute climb fuel penalty.Perfectly legal and perfectly safe.
We use this gap to access the flaps for part of their lubrication procedure but,trust me,it's not a panel you can manually open or leave 'undone'.The spring is very strong and the door is only opened and closed by extending/retracting the flaps.

Hope this helps!