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badboy raggamuffin 19th February 2007 12:28

Plus the captain isnt even wearing his glasses. Disgraceful.

gijoe 19th February 2007 14:09

That's what I like about being part of Europe - standardisation.....

rallymania 19th February 2007 14:45

ok opening myself for some verbal here i'm sure...

as a trainee ppl with a whopping 4hours (yeah i know, i'll be captain by next week:rolleyes: ) in my log book, i've done longer finals in a trainer than this guy did. is this common for visual approaches? or just because it's a quieter airport.

what's the shortest final run you've done with SLF's onboard?

BlueVolta 19th February 2007 15:07

A very nice CRM, it seems to be friendly...
This an old fashion cockpit, I do not think they still fly the 727 in JAT, so this was probably somekind of farewell flight...

Cityliner 19th February 2007 15:16

There are still some flyable B727 standing around in LYBE!
Don't know the companys name but i recently saw them there!
So guess this Video is not to old

Max Angle 19th February 2007 15:24

Skippers not wearing his shoulder straps either but hey, it's a nice day, no traffic around, a nice easy visual approach and they all seem to know what they are doing and I don't think anything got missed. I would be happy to sit behind those three I think.

saffron 19th February 2007 15:50

I used to fly with these guys who freelanced for my cargo airline,very well trained but Captains had autocratic CRM,F/E's were very good,however used to make their own hooch (legal in Serbia as long as your still is government inspected)that made your eyes water!

barit1 19th February 2007 16:17

rallymania asks -

what's the shortest final run you've done with SLF's onboard?
I was DC-9 pax on a very short rwy change at KBOS - 04R to 33 - the "final" was essentially zero length, we weren't "wings level" until over the numbers.
Also rode a RJ TriStar into AMM 08R with essentially zero final after a military-style 180 from downwind.
Great hand-flying in VFR both cases - not sure how the authorities approve, but obvious skill level and a fine treat for me! :D :D

dessertdude 19th February 2007 16:17

very decent job IMHO! don,t see the fuss, what is MCC anyway?

vapilot2004 19th February 2007 16:20

That 727 probably came from the factory with an ashtray in the cockpit.

Back in the day, a lack of same may have been a no go item. :}

Eirefly 19th February 2007 16:23

Well the amount of British and American pilots getting stung for being drunk is hell of alot more than what these guys are doing.
Oh the PNF is having a smoke....oh and god forbid they made a joke aswell.

d192049d 19th February 2007 16:48

Nice to see the visual approach being flown with hands & feet [stick & rudder] as opposed to the thumb & forefinger. :D

How often does this still happen? I could imagine autopilot still in until aircraft intercepting the glideslope and a five mile final [not two max as in this case] in your typical approach in most airlines these days.

Captain Greaser 19th February 2007 17:54

Nice landing!!!!!

Slats One 19th February 2007 18:13

proper flying
 
Casual it may be, but its real flying. Proper hand -eye -foot co-ordination, and real Boeing three holer technique- a nice curving descent with no steps in the descent, application of power to stop it getting low and slow, and pop her down.

There wasn't a glitch in that descent profile- was there?

Knock it if you want too, but its called airmanship - if a little lax on the Imperial Airways approach checks minima list old boy.

The computer stick 25 year olds have no idea what they missed.

YesTAM 19th February 2007 18:22

I swear that many years ago I saw a DC9 Captain taxiing for departure with a cigarette in hand, arm out the window, and the ADF tuned to the horse racing. It was a beautiful day.

fireflybob 19th February 2007 18:32

Reminds me of flying with a respected training captain many years ago on b737-200 on an empty ferry from ltn to lgw. As we levelled at 4,000 ft qnh for the short flight he lit up his pipe whilst still hand flying with an apparent ease and accuracy that I shall never forget!

skan 19th February 2007 18:51

I am a non-smoker, however I have noticed that the smoking captains usually are very competent pilots. If there is any specific reason for this,
I dont know.

barit1 19th February 2007 18:52

With a good stable 30s-40s aircraft, BAE (before autopilot era), minor course corrections in cruise could be made hands-off, only rudder used.

I've seen so many recent trainees (& their instructors) who try to drive an aeroplane around like a car, very poor coordination in turns. Tri-gear will forgive this when landing, but not a taildragger! :ugh:

Airbubba 19th February 2007 19:06


With a good stable 30s-40s aircraft, BAE (before autopilot era), minor course corrections in cruise could be made hands-off, only rudder used.
Well, these days I think I'd keep my feet off the rudders in cruise, especially if it's an Airbus. :)


There wasn't a glitch in that descent profile- was there?
There was a GPWS "Glide Slope" alert on final, ducking under even on a visual is somewhat frowned upon these days most places.

This was how it was done a couple of decades ago in the U.S. in the '72, casual chitchat, smoking, an extra body up front for the landing. Some operators didn't use checklists much, others were more into the procedures than flying the plane.

Things are more formal and a lot safer now I suppose...

lasernigel 20th February 2007 12:34

Where has the link gone for that JAT video...seems to have disappeared?:confused:


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