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Golf-Mike-Mike 18th Jul 2014 07:37

UPS218 squawk 7700 diverts to Heathrow
 
I see that UPS218, squawking 7700, from CDG to Philadelphia, has just landed at LHR, having diverted from over the Brest peninsular. I know these things happen all the time but wouldn't a French airport or even Stansted have been a more logical alternate in the early morning rush ?

nitpicker330 18th Jul 2014 08:19

Nature of the failure and it's effects, closest Airfield, longest runway, best weather, best rescue and firefighting services available, crew familiarity, terrain, company port......

All the things that go into the mix in the Captains head.

I'm sure he did what he needed to do and the professional ATC in London did their usual brilliant job.

Well done.

roulishollandais 18th Jul 2014 08:32

A freight plane like UPS diverts, if possible, at the nearest open (schedule) accessible (weather, limitations) international UPS base able to handle the freight quickly to destination and resolve the problem and new problems (replacement plane, spare parts, crew). Probably it was LHR.
I.e.Emery freight, T.O. Maastricht, Fog at destination Roissy at 4:00 or 5:00 LT, we tried the approach, and then if impossible we diverted to Brussels or Cologne .

Golf-Mike-Mike 18th Jul 2014 09:03

Thanks I take your point but then why not just go back to CDG - closer, still open and active, point of origin, similar distance to go, known weather ?

hampshireandy 18th Jul 2014 09:07

Heathrow isnt a UPS base, UPS aircraft never use LHR. Stansted is, CDG is. So the question remains, why divert to LHR?

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 18th Jul 2014 09:20

Instead of arguing on here, why not ring the Captain and ask him what he thimks he was doing?

OldLurker 18th Jul 2014 09:26

More to the point, wait and see. Since the subject flight landed in the UK, if anything significant happened we'll get a good analysis in due course.

emeritus 18th Jul 2014 09:27

Well said HD !

Fox3WheresMyBanana 18th Jul 2014 09:28

:ok: HD


Heathrow isnt a UPS base, UPS aircraft never use LHR. Stansted is, CDG is. So the question remains, why divert to LHR?
With


squawking 7700
At no point in emergency handling is 'fly to the most convenient ( i.e. company base) airport' a consideration.

con-pilot 18th Jul 2014 09:28


Instead of arguing on here, why not ring the Captain and ask him what he thimks he was doing?
Probably too late, as he's most likely already at his girlfriend's* flat that is near Heathrow. :p




* Or boyfriend's as the case may be.


And no I don't mean it that way, after all, the captain could be a lady.

roulishollandais 18th Jul 2014 09:40

Transporting Li-ion batteries are better equiped firemen in LHR ?

Golf-Mike-Mike 18th Jul 2014 10:38

@ HD
I had no intention of starting an argument, this was just an innocent enquiry as it seemed strange to fly to the busiest airport around rather than return to CDG, Orly or elsewhere closer or at a similar distance.
As for ringing the pilot, as you can probably guess as I posted the question, he's not in my phone book :ugh:

Golf-Mike-Mike 18th Jul 2014 10:46

@ Fox3Banana
I don't recall saying convenient, I said logical (ie having weighed up all the circumstances of the emergency and all the options for a diversion). But thanks for your help and insight :bored:

roulishollandais 18th Jul 2014 11:13

distance, time, ATC efficiency
 
Brest-London=470 km
Brest-Paris =590 km

Fox3WheresMyBanana 18th Jul 2014 11:15

GMM - My previous post was a bit sarcastic; my apologies. However, the fact that an airfield is your company's base is only a matter of convenience after the landing - it has zero influence on dealing with the inflight emergency.
Nearest, best runway you can reach with the jet in the state it's in is what is wanted.

nitpicker330 18th Jul 2014 11:31

Yep, read my post above.

That is what the Captain would have done.

seventhreedriver 18th Jul 2014 11:36

The weather around STN this morning was far from ideal. Depending on when this happened, this might have been a reason...

J.O. 18th Jul 2014 12:31

A slight right turn towards LHR at altitude also takes up far fewer miles and minutes than executing a 180 degree turn back to CDG. There was an old country song that included the line,

"Gimme 40 acres and I'll turn this rig around".

Think miles instead of minutes.

Golf-Mike-Mike 18th Jul 2014 12:33


Originally Posted by seventhreedriver (Post 8568844)
The weather around STN this morning was far from ideal. Depending on when this happened, this might have been a reason...

Good point, perhaps CDG had a threat of storms too. As pointed out above the true reason will come out sometime, somehow, I was just curious.

Golf-Mike-Mike 18th Jul 2014 12:35


Originally Posted by J.O. (Post 8568929)
A slight right turn towards LHR at altitude also takes up far fewer miles and minutes ...
Think miles instead of minutes.

Actually on FR24 he did a couple of large left and right orbits before setting out for Heathrow.


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