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Johnm 17th Mar 2013 14:05

Short field operations
 
Does anyone know of an aircraft with up to 40 seats that can operate (probably not fully laden) out 1000metres of runway? Something with performance and capacity between a Twotter and a Saab 340 is the expected answer, I haven't found one despite a fair bit of searching.

Phileas Fogg 17th Mar 2013 15:07

DHC7 (50 seats) but there ain't many around.

Johnm 17th Mar 2013 15:11

I agree and if someone can find an aircraft bigger than a 340 that can operate out of 1000 metres I'll be a bit suprised:)

Phileas Fogg 17th Mar 2013 15:22

DHC7? .....

Johnm 17th Mar 2013 15:27

I think it's the only one but as you say obsolescent and rare

Phileas Fogg 17th Mar 2013 15:40

OK then, the earlier versions of the DHC8 ... Are you a bit surprised yet? :)

Johnm 17th Mar 2013 15:42

Now I'm surprised:) I would have expected about 1200 metres for a Dash 8

chevvron 17th Mar 2013 15:57

Junkers Ju52

Phileas Fogg 17th Mar 2013 16:00

Only after they stretched the DHC8 did it need more runway, the early DHC8's seated 36 or more and could do it from a 3,000ft runway.

Johnm 17th Mar 2013 16:12

Chevvron is having a laugh I assume, but they did use Herons and Doves into the 1960s as it happens.........

Phileas Fogg 17th Mar 2013 16:28

Get on to Air France, one of these would do the job :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...P_Haafke-1.jpg

con-pilot 17th Mar 2013 16:50

Turbine powered DC-3?

Don't know if you can get 40 passenger seats in one however.

siftydog 17th Mar 2013 18:10

HS Andover. 40 something pax, a couple still operating in Africa I think.

xtypeman 17th Mar 2013 18:22

ATR 42 the -300 operated off Plymouth with reasonable load better than the Dash 8 upto 40 pax to DUB and full load to CWL.

munster 17th Mar 2013 22:48

44 passengers, No runway required.Model 234 Chinook

bpilot52 22nd Jun 2014 12:30

HS Andover C1 is the correct answer. :p Doing STOL (not perf A) with water meth injection we could use 1000 FEET. Anguilla was - if I remember right - about 750 ft of tarmac with a baked mud over-run. I usually stopped on the tarmac full of metropolitan police with baggage and beer to keep them going.
6 degree approach and full reverse before touchdown. :ok:

bpilot52 23rd Jun 2014 10:18

Hi Jenkins :)
No. Turned on the strip ok.
The narrow one was Barbuda. Just 18 inches outside each mainwheel and a deep shoulder to the runway. Open the back door/ and talk sweetly to the loadmaster. Then, as you know, it was all or nothing reverse to return to the threshold for t/o. Runway was long for us -cannot remember exactly - maybe 2500ft but with the narrow width that produced a very odd approach :eek: feeling much higher than we really were. B

skerry 25th Jun 2014 07:38

The Antonov An-72/74 would do the job...though it carries more than forty pax. Upper Surface Blowing and the Coanda effect, lovely aeroplane.

Agaricus bisporus 25th Jun 2014 13:59


44 passengers, No runway required.Model 234 Chinook
Far from requiring "no runway" a laden BV234 actually required more runway than the Dash8 on t/o iirc. Unst could be limiting!

Munster, helicopter performance is not quite as simple as you imagine it to be...


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