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sevenstrokeroll 25th May 2012 09:59

simply changing the name or number on a plane, eg the A319 vs the A320 is a bit much of a stretch about hull losses. I mean a DC9 31 is different than a DC9 32 but come on??????

a safe plane, safe pilot, safe proper mx and respect for the sky...

Lightning Mate 27th May 2012 17:34

Sorry guys:

Q1 what is a "plane"

Q2 what is a "prang"

OAB11D 4th Jun 2012 22:06

If we are talking about hull loses in pax service the. TU 144 is a candidate

Although it only made about 50 pax flights

Still 100% is 100%

Groundloop 13th Jun 2012 12:26


I don't think anyones been killed in an Embaer 145.

They've made over a thousand and sold them everywhere, so if correct, not a bad record.
The question concerned hull losses - not necessarily involving fatalities.

ASN Aircraft accident Embraer EMB-145LU (ERJ-145LU) PR-PSJ Vitria da Conquista Airport, BA (VDC)

Phileas Fogg 13th Jun 2012 14:07

AN-225 ..... :)

MKY661 13th Jun 2012 18:32

A318? Wonder if that has?

Phileas Fogg 14th Jun 2012 01:07

I'll take a stab that the B737-100 type made it through it's service life without a hull loss!

DaveReidUK 14th Jun 2012 06:34

This is all getting a bit silly now.

The OP posed the question


Is there any commercial aircraft type which has had a hull-loss free history before being retired.
Note:

commercial (= not military)
type (= not variant)
retired (= no longer in service)

So far, we've only had two responses - Mercure and HP42 - that qualify on all counts. Any other offers ?

Phileas Fogg 14th Jun 2012 09:44

Well if it's all about variants then the B707, B720, B727, B737 & B757, all Mk's of each, may be considered the same type as they all use(d) the same design of fuselage yet each merely had different attachments fitted to them!

Just because, for marketing purposes, the manufacturers designated these as different types doesn't change the fact that they are all variants of the same original design.

So what's the difference between an A330 and an A340, I'd suggest they are two variants of the same type ... oh, but if it's down to the number of engines then a Trident Three cannot be considered the same type as, or indeed a variant of, a Trident One or Two.

DaveReidUK 14th Jun 2012 12:03


Well if it's all about variants then the B707, B720, B727, B737 & B757, all Mk's of each, may be considered the same type as they all use(d) the same design of fuselage yet each merely had different attachments fitted to them!

Just because, for marketing purposes, the manufacturers designated these as different types doesn't change the fact that they are all variants of the same original design.

So what's the difference between an A330 and an A340, I'd suggest they are two variants of the same type ... oh, but if it's down to the number of engines then a Trident Three cannot be considered the same type as, or indeed a variant of, a Trident One or Two.
Strangely, the industry doesn't seem to find it confusing at all, despite the best efforts of the manufacturers to bamboozle us.

Given that all commercial aircraft types are certificated, the Type Certificate is a pretty good place to start when trying to differentiate between what is a different type and what is merely a variant.

So, for example, none of the Boeings listed share the same TC, nor do the A330/A340, but the A318/A319/A320/A321 do.

Mechta 15th Jun 2012 11:50

Airspeed Ferry (unless being destroyed in a hangar by vandals counts).

R100 Airship

Graf Zeppelin Airship


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