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KLOS 14th May 2012 12:28

aircraft type with career zero hull loss
 
Is there any commercial aircraft type which has had a hull - loss free history before being retired. I know that historically they tend to be sold on second hand thereby increasing the incidence of write-off. Is the 717 a currently operating example?

Thanks

Skipness One Echo 14th May 2012 12:54

The Dassault Mercure I think?

Ms Spurtle 14th May 2012 12:58

Does the 717 count?
It's just an MD80 (DC9) at the end of the day.

Talkdownman 14th May 2012 13:23


Originally Posted by Ms Spurtle
Does the 717 count? It's just an MD80 (DC9) at the end of the day

....or a Charlie 135, even...

The Boeing C-135 Stratolifter is a transport aircraft.......Boeing gave the aircraft the internal designation of Model 717

DaveReidUK 14th May 2012 13:52


Does the 717 count?
It's just an MD80 (DC9) at the end of the day.
It's also still in service (just). The question was about retired types.

I can't think of any apart from the aforementioned Mercure.

N707ZS 14th May 2012 14:05

Shorts Belfast?

DaveReidUK 14th May 2012 18:19


Shorts Belfast?
Certainly loss-free, but describing the Belfast as a "commercial aircraft", HeavyLift notwithstanding, is pushing it a bit.

Gibon2 15th May 2012 12:53

Fokker 70 - heading towards retirement, no hull losses yet (but less than 50 built).

For currently operating types, if you get into sub-types and define "no hull loss" as "no hull loss in commercial flight operations", then I think the 717, 737-600, 737-900, 777-300, E145, E170, A318, A319, A330-300, A340-200, A340-500 and A380 all have perfect records so far - touch wood.

Of these, perhaps the A319 has the most impressive record: over 1300 built, and nobody's managed to seriously prang one yet.

DaveReidUK 15th May 2012 14:20


Fokker 70 - heading towards retirement, no hull losses yet
True - fortunately, it's built like a brick you-know-what:

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/oe-lfo/1.jpg

effects 18th May 2012 16:39

"Of these, perhaps the A319 has the most impressive record: over 1300 built, and nobody's managed to seriously prang one yet."

N313NB cn1186 DBR 19 Jan 03

Gibon2 18th May 2012 21:08


N313NB cn1186 DBR 19 Jan 03
That was a prang on the ground while being moved for maintenance, so not counted under my "no hull loss in commercial flight operations" definition.

siftydog 21st May 2012 01:59

I think the VC10 had a zero hull loss record save Dawsons Field? Or was 1 written off after a heavy landing?

KLOS 21st May 2012 06:54

Did not Nigeria Airways lose a VC 10?

treadigraph 21st May 2012 07:11

VC-10 - three destroyed in accidents - Nigerian, BUA and East Aftrican,(four if you include the RAF example that was DBR in a ground incident) and three by terrorist/military action, MEA, BOAC and BA.

Swedish Steve 21st May 2012 10:28

The Handley Page 42.
Eight were built in 1930 for Imperial Airways.
One was destroyed in a hangar fire.
The other seven were transferred to the RAF in 1939
in good working order-
(The RAF wrote them off in a year)

terrain safe 21st May 2012 19:02

VFW 614. Only the prototype was lost (as a lot of them are).

Groundloop 22nd May 2012 07:39


VFW 614. Only the prototype was lost
Surely then that counts as a hull loss!

grounded27 25th May 2012 04:45

Please respect it as the MD-95.

fujii 25th May 2012 05:57

Handley Page HP42
 
None lost on commercial operations although one was destroyed in an airship hangar fire. The remainder were destroyed after being impressed into RAF service but those weren't commercial operations.

Groundloop 25th May 2012 07:25


The Handley Page 42.
Eight were built in 1930 for Imperial Airways.
One was destroyed in a hangar fire.
The other seven were transferred to the RAF in 1939
in good working order-
(The RAF wrote them off in a year)


Handley Page HP42
None lost on commercial operations although one was destroyed in an airship hangar fire. The remainder were destroyed after being impressed into RAF service but those weren't commercial operations.
Do you ever get a feeling of deja-vu?:ok:

sevenstrokeroll 25th May 2012 09:59

simply changing the name or number on a plane, eg the A319 vs the A320 is a bit much of a stretch about hull losses. I mean a DC9 31 is different than a DC9 32 but come on??????

a safe plane, safe pilot, safe proper mx and respect for the sky...

Lightning Mate 27th May 2012 17:34

Sorry guys:

Q1 what is a "plane"

Q2 what is a "prang"

OAB11D 4th Jun 2012 22:06

If we are talking about hull loses in pax service the. TU 144 is a candidate

Although it only made about 50 pax flights

Still 100% is 100%

Groundloop 13th Jun 2012 12:26


I don't think anyones been killed in an Embaer 145.

They've made over a thousand and sold them everywhere, so if correct, not a bad record.
The question concerned hull losses - not necessarily involving fatalities.

ASN Aircraft accident Embraer EMB-145LU (ERJ-145LU) PR-PSJ Vitria da Conquista Airport, BA (VDC)

Phileas Fogg 13th Jun 2012 14:07

AN-225 ..... :)

MKY661 13th Jun 2012 18:32

A318? Wonder if that has?

Phileas Fogg 14th Jun 2012 01:07

I'll take a stab that the B737-100 type made it through it's service life without a hull loss!

DaveReidUK 14th Jun 2012 06:34

This is all getting a bit silly now.

The OP posed the question


Is there any commercial aircraft type which has had a hull-loss free history before being retired.
Note:

commercial (= not military)
type (= not variant)
retired (= no longer in service)

So far, we've only had two responses - Mercure and HP42 - that qualify on all counts. Any other offers ?

Phileas Fogg 14th Jun 2012 09:44

Well if it's all about variants then the B707, B720, B727, B737 & B757, all Mk's of each, may be considered the same type as they all use(d) the same design of fuselage yet each merely had different attachments fitted to them!

Just because, for marketing purposes, the manufacturers designated these as different types doesn't change the fact that they are all variants of the same original design.

So what's the difference between an A330 and an A340, I'd suggest they are two variants of the same type ... oh, but if it's down to the number of engines then a Trident Three cannot be considered the same type as, or indeed a variant of, a Trident One or Two.

DaveReidUK 14th Jun 2012 12:03


Well if it's all about variants then the B707, B720, B727, B737 & B757, all Mk's of each, may be considered the same type as they all use(d) the same design of fuselage yet each merely had different attachments fitted to them!

Just because, for marketing purposes, the manufacturers designated these as different types doesn't change the fact that they are all variants of the same original design.

So what's the difference between an A330 and an A340, I'd suggest they are two variants of the same type ... oh, but if it's down to the number of engines then a Trident Three cannot be considered the same type as, or indeed a variant of, a Trident One or Two.
Strangely, the industry doesn't seem to find it confusing at all, despite the best efforts of the manufacturers to bamboozle us.

Given that all commercial aircraft types are certificated, the Type Certificate is a pretty good place to start when trying to differentiate between what is a different type and what is merely a variant.

So, for example, none of the Boeings listed share the same TC, nor do the A330/A340, but the A318/A319/A320/A321 do.

Mechta 15th Jun 2012 11:50

Airspeed Ferry (unless being destroyed in a hangar by vandals counts).

R100 Airship

Graf Zeppelin Airship


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