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radar0976 17th Dec 2009 19:35

British Airways rejected takeoff in Cape Town (video)
 
About 2 years I took this video on takeoff from CPT bound for LHR. Not hugely dramatic but interesting to catch nonetheless ->

raffele 17th Dec 2009 20:39

Interesting video, but surely it would have been better to post it in Spotters Balcony, which would be a more appropriate place for it than R&N?

777fly 17th Dec 2009 20:39

Not in the least bit interesting or worthy of comment. I hope that the moderators will delete your post right now.

YYZBeacher 17th Dec 2009 20:55

Better the mods move it over to Spectators which they will asap- ever thought 777fly it could be a young enthusiast simply posting here, with no need for the venom ?

radar0976 17th Dec 2009 21:41


Not in the least bit interesting or worthy of comment. I hope that the moderators will delete your post right now.
Ouch! Sorry if that is how you feel. A video which has received 120,000 hits on YouTube can hardly be described as "Not in the least bit interesting". Only sharing something which I thought people might like. Maybe some of the other aviation videos on my YouTube channel (YouTube - radar050976's Channel) may be more "interesting or worthy of comment".

Mods : Sorry for posting in wrong ,forum

Farrell 17th Dec 2009 22:53

Reason for RTO?:

Passenger use of electronic device having been told not to by CC. :}

Capetonian 17th Dec 2009 23:15


A video which has received 120,000 hits on YouTube can hardly be described as "Not in the least bit interesting".
It tells you how many sad, bored, lonely people there are out there. I don't see why someone has asked for this posting to be deleted, but the video is about as interesting as watching varnish dry.

Basil 17th Dec 2009 23:46

That was an EXTREMELY gentle manoeuvre.
One day at Paris I had an engine surge in a B747 freighter at the beginning of the take off roll. That makes a series of VERY loud bangs. (and I'm ex artillery)
We taxied off the runway and the First Officer, Flight Engineer and I discussed the problem. We agreed that we would have one more attempt and then, if the engine surged, it was back to the ground engineers. All went well and we had a beer in Dubai as planned.
If I had been flying a passenger aircraft the decision would not have been as simple. We would have been very aware that a surge, with the accompanying bangs and flames from the front and rear of the engine, is a frightening experience for the passengers. I would have explained the technicalities and asked the cabin crew how the passengers were taking it and included that in my decision making.

Engines, at lower altitudes, sometimes stop surging when the air is going straight in the hole at the front. There's a great youtube clip of one which didn't. If I can find it I'll append it.

apaddyinuk 18th Dec 2009 03:49

I was crew on that...talk about a total non-event!!!! I didnt even realise we had started the take-off role and slowed down until the captain made the PA!!! You do realise that if there had been a full breaking of the aircraft at high speeds your camera may very well have become a missile in the cabin causing injury??? One of the reasons we say not to use and to safely stow away electronic devices during take off/landing!!!

Now try an emergency breaking on a 777 in KIN after a reaching a high speed! That was SCARY! And lets not mention a go-around in LHR sitting at the back of a 747-400!!!! Thats always fun!

FCS Explorer 18th Dec 2009 08:26

WHOA!
 
HEY EVERYBODY LOOK I VIDEO-TAPED THE WING FOR 3 MINUTES AND PUT IT ON THE WEB!! (and the aircraft even moved a bit)

Groundloop 18th Dec 2009 08:34


Ouch! Sorry if that is how you feel. A video which has received 120,000 hits on YouTube can hardly be described as "Not in the least bit interesting".
And 119,999 disappointed people afterwards!

As stated above, what part of "ALL electronic devices must be turned off" did you not understand.

slingsby 18th Dec 2009 08:59

Oh and don't forget the FS2004 sequals - the FSX re-runs and the dramatic MSMoviemaker bad music overlay.........

No - I too was sad enough on a lay-over to actually think this was worthy of a view, but alas I lost a few valuable minutes of my life too

Does anyone else think these "non event" videos, and more especially ALL the FSX and armchair drama queens are a complete waste of time and bandwidth

Radar0976 - don't let me catch you ever video one of my flights and ApaddyinUK - spit in his tea next time.....

Rainboe 18th Dec 2009 09:09

My God what is this utter tosh and total boredom up here for? Steven Spielberg it ain't! Maybe lots of people watched hoping for something at least interesting!

I have a little statistic for you. 120,000 people watching 2 1/2 minutes of paint drying = 300,000 minutes = 5000 hours = 208 days.

You have wasted 208 days of your fellow humans lifetime, equivalent to January to about August of one person's life, with this utter rubbish. Mods, please do not assist! And can I have MY 2 1/2 minutes of life back please? Save a life- delete this trash! He seems determined we are to constantly be force fed this uninteresting waste of time. It's old FGS!

ManofMan 18th Dec 2009 10:55

After watching twice I can see where the poster in coming from....at around the 1min26sec mark of the video one of the water droplets smashes into another one on the window resulting of the forming of a new water droplet.

You were so lucky to catch the beginning of a new life.

I wouldnt mind betting that the 120000 people who have watched were all scientists from the atom smashing experiment in Switzerland.

Fernanjet 18th Dec 2009 11:32

To be fair.....

120,000 people watching it do not know what they are going to watch so the number of views is completely irrelevant to the standard.

posting it on here is another matter....that was just silly.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 18th Dec 2009 12:04

YouTube has plenty of garbage, especially of the "near miss" variety. Presumably that's what the cretins want, but it's of little interest to aviation professionals.

radar0976 18th Dec 2009 12:10

Good Lord what a nasty elitist bunch you are! I wasn't trying to intentionally annoy anyone. I won't bother you again.:*

Groundloop 18th Dec 2009 12:23


I won't bother you again.
Hurray!!:ok:

But I notice you still choose to ignore the fact that you shouldn't have been filming in the first place.:ugh:

apaddyinuk 18th Dec 2009 12:46

you know what? We have to hand it to him, he got us all talking! Perhaps not in the way he had intended but god its made fun reading!

Lightning Mate 18th Dec 2009 13:00

Wow! That had me glued to my seat.

Much more interesting than an RTO in a Jaguar at 160 knots......

radar0976 18th Dec 2009 15:03


you know what? We have to hand it to him, he got us all talking! Perhaps not in the way he had intended but god its made fun reading!
Thanks Paddy. Ah sure to be honest I don't find it interesting either. I only threw it up on YouTube just for somewhere to store it. I was honestly amazed it got so many hits to be honest!! I have two other jump seat videos on my channel YouTube - radar050976's Channel taken from the jump seat of a private jet which are far more interesting but haven't got a fraction of the hits.

I can see the funny side of it of course! I can hardly think that such a slow speed thing was an amazing video. I'm a huge aviation nut and love everything about it.

Interesting that you were crew on that flight. What was the actual problem as a matter of interest ?

Rainboe 18th Dec 2009 19:36


at around the 1min26sec mark of the video one of the water droplets smashes into another one on the window resulting of the forming of a new water droplet.
I hadn't seen that! They were saying on the stupid BBC News loudly a few years ago that 'water had a memory and could regain its former shape'. Do you think it's feelings were hurt in the collision? Will it barge into the droplet next to it. We could have a riot of water droplets like Copenhagen greeny rioters all rioting across the window.......hang on, we have!

While the Hadron collider has been repaired for a year because the rain got in, I expect all the scientists sitting there getting very bored used watching this crap vid as an excuse learn about shooting water droplets into collisions.

Radar 0976, you can save us all a lot of fun if you pull up your first post and delete it. Hopefully all this will disappear. And don't use cameras on take-off again.

LTNman 19th Dec 2009 05:26

Just waisted 3 minutes of my life:zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz:

Rainboe 19th Dec 2009 07:44

Radar, please get rid of this crap! Delete the first post and the rest should go. You have wasted about 9 months of peoples' lives with this nothingness of no interest. For humanity's sake, delete yourself if the moderators won't!

donnlass 19th Dec 2009 08:23

Well I was certainly interested in it thanks for posting radar.

Did you manage to take off ok the seond time?

Rainboe 19th Dec 2009 11:02

No, they've been stuck down there for 2 years, Getting urgent- the ladies have run out of hygiene products and diapers and all the men are out of razors. The captain has a 2 foot beard.

reverserunlocked 19th Dec 2009 11:53

Oh dear. Not exactly riveting, old chap. I didn't even know you'd rejected until the skipper came on the PA.

wings folded 19th Dec 2009 13:19

Groundloop


As stated above, what part of "ALL electronic devices must be turned off" did you not understand.
I desperately need your help.

My watch is electronic.

There is no on/off button.

Specialist tools are required to open the case in order to remove the battery. They are nearly always confiscated by "Security".

So what should I do?

Please help.

I fear that I can never travel again.

Would a deaf passenger with his hearing aid turned off be safer than the same passenger who was able to hear safety / emergency announcements because his hearing aid was turned on, contrary to the rules?

Do you routinely carry out heart transplant surgery in flight for those PAX who have turned off their pacemakers?

Until you learn a degree of perspective, I hope not to travel under your care.

jetset lady 19th Dec 2009 13:51


Originally Posted by ManofMan
After watching twice I can see where the poster in coming from....at around the 1min26sec mark of the video one of the water droplets smashes into another one on the window resulting of the forming of a new water droplet.

For God's sake, MoM! I've had to watch it again now, just to check out the rain drop collision! :{

You think that's bad, you want to try two rejected takeoffs out of Pristina, on New Years Eve and the knowledge of all on board that a third will result in us seeing in the New Year there. Now that's drama!

I suppose, in an attempt to be fair to Radar, most of us in the industry, and/or those with a strong interest of aviation, know what a truly nasty RTO looks like. Whereas, to a passenger with little or no knowledge, even the mildest is an event out of the ordinary.

Wings Folded,

With regards to electrical devices, to a certain extent, we have to rely on people having a little bit of common sense. As you appear to have none, please refer to the inflight magazine or ask one of the crew! Unless of course, you were just being overly pedantic...:rolleyes:

apaddyinuk 19th Dec 2009 14:14


What was the actual problem as a matter of interest ?
To be honest I cant remember at all and I was upstairs dealing with the flight deck! LOL!
Some random warning light as they commenced power up because of a mis-set take off configuration or something I think!

Skipness One Echo 19th Dec 2009 14:22


As stated above, what part of "ALL electronic devices must be turned off" did you not understand.
I have a cunning plan to inherit rich Auntie Bertha's wealth....she has a pacemaker you see.....

wings folded 19th Dec 2009 15:53

jetsetlady


Whereas, to a passenger with little or no knowledge, even the mildest is an event out of the ordinary.
I am sure that there are some passengers with little or no knowledge. There are, on the other hand, others with huge distances under the belt, and some of them might even be, or have been, pilots.


Wings Folded,

With regards to electrical devices, to a certain extent, we have to rely on people having a little bit of common sense. As you appear to have none, please refer to the inflight magazine or ask one of the crew! Unless of course, you were just being overly pedantic...:rolleyes:
Thanks for your concern, but I think I have a fair degree of common sense, a reasonable experience of air travel as a passenger (1,085,000 kms spread over 825 flights since 1981 (when you were about 8 years old I think) and quite a few hours in my pilot's log book.

It's a pity you cannot differentiate irony from pedantry.

jetset lady 19th Dec 2009 17:29

Wings Folded,

Oops. Hook, line and sinker! :O

As for passengers, I am well aware that many have a fair to vast amount of knowledge. I was referring to the ones that don't, hence me saying "to a passenger" rather than "the passengers". Maybe I didn't word it very well.

Jsl

P.S. In my defense, as one of those dreaded BA cabin crew, I've spent the last week trying to understand what the hell my more militant colleagues are playing at, along with trying to convince my passengers that I had no intention of striking. I'm a little ragged round the edges, right now. And you're right. I was 8! :p

Skyfan 19th Dec 2009 17:29

If the pilot calls it a day mid-way through take-off, most 'bog standard' passengers would pap themselves. The fact that being there was probably a bit more intense than watching it is neither here nor there. At least the camerawork is decent, which is more than can be said for about a billion other half-arsed vids I've watched.

Its all about perspective....

wings folded 19th Dec 2009 17:44

jetsetlady

Must be trying times for you all.

Remember that in aviation, as in life, calm and cool always wins over hot under the collar. (Perhaps more critical in aviation, but equally true in life generally)

I hope you can straighten out your ragged edges with a little cool calm collected thinking.

Lend some of it to your co-workers, and my best wishes to you.

greggx101 19th Dec 2009 23:20

mods - Get rid of it .

I like the OPs missus comment "Whats wrong" - "I dunno Luv but im going to post this cr*p video on pprune just for a laugh"

Rainboe 20th Dec 2009 16:41

It's unbelievable. The prat posts the worlds most boring vid (beautiful raindrops though, but I didn't like it when they got aggressive with each other- reminded me of a normal day in R&N! Some ate each other up!), says it's actually quite interesting (for God's sake why?), posts a hurt comment at the derision, and vanishes! Wish the idiot took his stupid vid with him!

Nicholas49 20th Dec 2009 16:58

"I suppose, in an attempt to be fair to Radar, most of us in the industry, and/or those with a strong interest of aviation, know what a truly nasty RTO looks like. Whereas, to a passenger with little or no knowledge, even the mildest is an event out of the ordinary."

Really? So you think that newly recruited cabin crew know what a 'truly nasty RTO looks like'? No, I don't think so. Where exactly would they have experienced one? Most pilots will never even have to carry out an RTO other than in the simulator throughout their entire career (and even if they do it's likely to be low-speed), so I think Rainboe et al could give this guy a break for posting something which is out-of-the-ordinary for most travellers (although in breach of the rules on turning off equipment!).

When I was on a Swissair flight which rejected at high-speed twice with no explanation from the flight deck, I think I can say most passengers were not especially reassured by how 'routine an occurence this was for people in the industry'.

JEM60 20th Dec 2009 17:19

RTO three times in a Brittania 100[that dates me] at Palermo. No explanation. Scary at the time, probably close to V.1 each time.

Rainboe 20th Dec 2009 19:07


Most pilots will never even have to carry out an RTO other than in the simulator throughout their entire career
Not really statistically correct. I have done a high speed RTO at LHR in a 747 blowing 4 outboard tyres, a couple of low speed ones, and several between VC10, 737, 747-400. Each and every time, someone was rapidly on the PA for reassurance. It is not unusual, which is why this thread is getting short shrift here. Go arounds are another case in point- maybe dramatic with people screaming, but WTH, it's an aeroplane- they can go around for a hundred reasons. Pilots don't think twice about them- passengers breathlessly can't wait to put their life stories up in print here now!


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