American ATPL Desperate to Leave the US, Can Anyone Help?
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American ATPL Desperate to Leave the US, Can Anyone Help?
Hello,
I am currently flight instructing near the Los Angeles area. I have my university degree, 5 years experience as an aeronautical engineer and my ATPL.
Anyway, I really do not want to live in the US anymore. If anyone knows airlines, corporates, personal contacts, etc. anywhere in the world, I would be willing to move. My first choice is Europe. I am pretty desperate...but not desperate enough for a fake marriage (I was offered a fake marriage on my trip to Lithuania a month ago).
Any help is greatly appreciated
I am currently flight instructing near the Los Angeles area. I have my university degree, 5 years experience as an aeronautical engineer and my ATPL.
Anyway, I really do not want to live in the US anymore. If anyone knows airlines, corporates, personal contacts, etc. anywhere in the world, I would be willing to move. My first choice is Europe. I am pretty desperate...but not desperate enough for a fake marriage (I was offered a fake marriage on my trip to Lithuania a month ago).
Any help is greatly appreciated
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Life is not always greener on the other side of the pond! Im American and have been in Europe since 1994 but would like to return to the US. It is much the same here in Europe in Aviation pretty Dead! If you are lucky you will get the odd job with an FAA
License, but you need a JAR Atpl if you want to work in Europe plus right of abode in an EU country! how about we do a Swap!
one thing I have noticed in Europe if you do apply for a Job at least you get a reply! not in the US.
License, but you need a JAR Atpl if you want to work in Europe plus right of abode in an EU country! how about we do a Swap!
one thing I have noticed in Europe if you do apply for a Job at least you get a reply! not in the US.
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get lost, you dreamer...if you don't want to be in the usa, turn in your passport and get out...both of the country, and the cockpit...
If you really are an instructor, what kind of cr@p are you putting out to your students, you malcontent...
If you really are an instructor, what kind of cr@p are you putting out to your students, you malcontent...
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Lets be a little bit more helpful here, shall we? If this gentleman doesn't wish to reside in the greatest nation the earth has ever seen, I see it as our duty to assist in his relocation.
Europe is pretty hard to swing. I had a similarly (inexplicably) dissatisfied friend that looked in to it. They protect their jobs over there (fighting for crumbs, next to the shining beacon of aviation that is the US
). However, he found work in South America and Africa at various points. Might start there.
Good luck.
Europe is pretty hard to swing. I had a similarly (inexplicably) dissatisfied friend that looked in to it. They protect their jobs over there (fighting for crumbs, next to the shining beacon of aviation that is the US
). However, he found work in South America and Africa at various points. Might start there.Good luck.
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Not sure why an American pilot wants to leave the US and try for a job in Europe. I'm British and would like to move back to the UK for obvious reasons, however without a JAR or CAA conversion you will have a hard time. I have currently instructed out here in the States for over 5 years and the flying has been great, I plan to stay here until the economy picks up and I can obtain a regional Airline position and build some more turbine time (yes I am Married to an American for the proper reasons however), the fact remains in Europe even if you have your conversion unless you have gone through one of the Airline flight schools such as CabAir or have at least 500 hrs turbine time they will not look at you, a English friend of mine returned home around 1 year ago with his FAA ATP, 2000hrs Total, and JAR/CAA ATP and cannot get anything.
The only possibilities I can suggest are look for countries which have adopted the FAA or work in conjuction with them I.E Cyprus , get a work visa or passport hopefully through legal means, find FAA registered operations abroad e.g Falcon Express in Dubai UAE (flys B1900) or be thankful for what you've got!!!
Cheers Flytaff
The only possibilities I can suggest are look for countries which have adopted the FAA or work in conjuction with them I.E Cyprus , get a work visa or passport hopefully through legal means, find FAA registered operations abroad e.g Falcon Express in Dubai UAE (flys B1900) or be thankful for what you've got!!!
Cheers Flytaff
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Prise the lord we are delivered! Halleluiah!
The golden land where honey and milk flow side by side the only piece of god given earth to be! The true blue red white and blue US of
A!
Stupid me thinking the fighting of the Promised Land was in the Middle East.
Yo, don’t ya’ll have some nation to pick a war on? Let’s see; how ‘bout Tibet, I sure they got some evil master plan to destroy the US.
But seriously now, your_dreamguy, what has been said so far about opportunities in Europe is right.
You’ll need a JAR conversion and then you’ll need a work permit either for the EU or any other European country which is non EU i.e. Switzerland. Once you got a conversion a potential employer may see to it that you get a work and residency permit.
To start out with a major carrier is rather unlikely as the lines of qualified pilots are long. A chance how ever is regional, charter may be or business aviation. From there you’ll stand a good chance as the economy picks up again to be in line with a major carrier.
Surfing the internet on business aviation in Europe (i.e. landings.com) should give you a wealth of operators address.
As some have said, you may well be qualified and yet not get an offer, what I’m trying to say is a bit of luck won’t be the worst thing.
Marriage, for the right reason is always a plus, perhaps in the future such a chance may come up. And another pointer, learn the language, and be involved in your new community become a citizen be a check pilot or management pilot for your company. Become too important in all aspects to be laid of in bad times again as foreigners may get the boot first for obvious reasons.
All the best mate.
The golden land where honey and milk flow side by side the only piece of god given earth to be! The true blue red white and blue US of
A!Stupid me thinking the fighting of the Promised Land was in the Middle East.
Yo, don’t ya’ll have some nation to pick a war on? Let’s see; how ‘bout Tibet, I sure they got some evil master plan to destroy the US.
But seriously now, your_dreamguy, what has been said so far about opportunities in Europe is right.
You’ll need a JAR conversion and then you’ll need a work permit either for the EU or any other European country which is non EU i.e. Switzerland. Once you got a conversion a potential employer may see to it that you get a work and residency permit.
To start out with a major carrier is rather unlikely as the lines of qualified pilots are long. A chance how ever is regional, charter may be or business aviation. From there you’ll stand a good chance as the economy picks up again to be in line with a major carrier.
Surfing the internet on business aviation in Europe (i.e. landings.com) should give you a wealth of operators address.
As some have said, you may well be qualified and yet not get an offer, what I’m trying to say is a bit of luck won’t be the worst thing.
Marriage, for the right reason is always a plus, perhaps in the future such a chance may come up. And another pointer, learn the language, and be involved in your new community become a citizen be a check pilot or management pilot for your company. Become too important in all aspects to be laid of in bad times again as foreigners may get the boot first for obvious reasons.
All the best mate.
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I was interested in Dreamguys postings because I have some friends from the US visiting me shortly and who intend to make inquiries about living in Europe despite being US citizens. Their reasons are not work related but are more concerned with their perceived quality of life here in Europe, but they are Californians!.
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I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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Some of these comments need to be passed onto the Current Affairs board in the ""What the world thinks of America" Thread ".
What's wrong Yanks, has it now become illegal to move outta the country?
Suggest you boys not forget to take your valium, paxil or whatever next time. Grow up.
What's wrong Yanks, has it now become illegal to move outta the country?
get lost, you dreamer...if you don't want to be in the usa, turn in your passport and get out...both of the country, and the cockpit...
I call you back
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Or if you were going to Cuba!
Or if you had a laser pen.
Or if you had a scissors.
Or if ( like me ) you had spare razors for shaving purposes.
Maybe the guy just wants to see some of the world. You can't really be sure you are the 'greatest nation in the world' if you haven't seen much of it. I read once only 6% of US citizens hold a passport, if this is true it could be the least great nation in the world and 94% of the population wouldn't know it.
Personally having lived there twice I think it is a fantastic country but it has flaws just like every other country.
Or if you had a laser pen.
Or if you had a scissors.
Or if ( like me ) you had spare razors for shaving purposes.
Maybe the guy just wants to see some of the world. You can't really be sure you are the 'greatest nation in the world' if you haven't seen much of it. I read once only 6% of US citizens hold a passport, if this is true it could be the least great nation in the world and 94% of the population wouldn't know it.
Personally having lived there twice I think it is a fantastic country but it has flaws just like every other country.
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Hey, maybe France or Britain is the greatest nation on earth, who knows <g>... You folks shouldn't have such an inferiority complex whenever the U.S. is mentioned.
Trust me, it's terrible here, you wouldn't like it.
Trust me, it's terrible here, you wouldn't like it.
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I rather think that a true sign of an inferiority complex is the incessant need to proclaim one's greatness.
If one is truly confident in one's magnificence, it shouldn't be necessary to constantly announce it far and wide.
If one is truly confident in one's magnificence, it shouldn't be necessary to constantly announce it far and wide.