Ryanair Taxi Tactics
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Ryanair Taxi Tactics
On Thursday night at STN a Ryanair 737-800 being taxied by a female Pilot, continued to taxi at the Increased Ryanair taxi speed between 2 Airbus A300's despite being told by tower to give way to the Channel Express Aircraft, which in fact was the second aircraft to leave the Alpha's. When tower informed them of what they had done, the reply was "Sorry i thought you meant the other one" . The other one in question was an A300 TNT half orange aircraft, not exactly hard to miss unless you are incompetent, or just going to damn fast to stop.
When are Ryanair going to realise that stupidity is not a qualification. But then maybe I have just answered that!
I doubt they would have stopped in time, what do you think may of happened.
Comments from Ryanair pilots appreciated on this matter of safety, providing you can string a few words of ENGLISH together.
Sorry Mindthegap, this rules you out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When are Ryanair going to realise that stupidity is not a qualification. But then maybe I have just answered that!
I doubt they would have stopped in time, what do you think may of happened.
Comments from Ryanair pilots appreciated on this matter of safety, providing you can string a few words of ENGLISH together.
Sorry Mindthegap, this rules you out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How do the Ryanair bonuses / performance payments work? I understand pilots are paid some kind of bonus based on block time.....and also the speed the cabin crew work to achieve a quick turnround suggests they are getting some kind of incentive payment for this.
I'd be interested in what elements of punctuality performance you FR guys are paid bonuses to achieve.
I'd be interested in what elements of punctuality performance you FR guys are paid bonuses to achieve.
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Whilst you may have a point w.r.t. the now-infamous Ryanair accelerator pedals being stuck, there is no need to be quite so vicious with respect to anyone's command of the English language.
I am sure you could have asked your question without quite so much malice!
And, does it actually matter whether the driver was male or female? Ignoring rules and instructions from TWR is wrong no matter the sex, nationality or employment origins.
I am sure you could have asked your question without quite so much malice!
And, does it actually matter whether the driver was male or female? Ignoring rules and instructions from TWR is wrong no matter the sex, nationality or employment origins.
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We are not paid a bonus for punctuality in any way shape or form.
How do you know it was a female taxing , since it is the Captain who taxis the aircraft and the FO who does the radios on the ground. The fact that it was a female or not has nothing to do with the matter.
Taxi instructions at busy periods in Stan can get long and complicated and thus a mistake may have been made. I assume no one else has ever made a taxi mistake???? No I thought not...
No pilot would deliberatly ignore the taxi instructions, it wouldnt ever even enter my mind, we are professionals. If this has entered yours Doggydog then maybe you have thought about it yourself...
As for insinuating that the Ryanair pilots are either all foriegn, incompitent or stupid and dangerous.....
Grow up and take your bigoted attitudes elsewhere where they are wanted..
Did I spell that out clearly enough in English for you?
How do you know it was a female taxing , since it is the Captain who taxis the aircraft and the FO who does the radios on the ground. The fact that it was a female or not has nothing to do with the matter.
Taxi instructions at busy periods in Stan can get long and complicated and thus a mistake may have been made. I assume no one else has ever made a taxi mistake???? No I thought not...
No pilot would deliberatly ignore the taxi instructions, it wouldnt ever even enter my mind, we are professionals. If this has entered yours Doggydog then maybe you have thought about it yourself...
As for insinuating that the Ryanair pilots are either all foriegn, incompitent or stupid and dangerous.....
Grow up and take your bigoted attitudes elsewhere where they are wanted..
Did I spell that out clearly enough in English for you?
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There is a very valid point being made regarding the speed at which some Ryanair - captains I imagine !!!- taxi their aircraft. I have witnessed it many a time, especially at DUB, quite often at LGW.
Keep the speed down heh guys......and girls
Keep the speed down heh guys......and girls
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Whilst I agree many of us will have made taxiing errors at times, isn't this EXACTLY the reason you should not taxi too fast, as seems to be the point in this thread!
(quite agree the post was over inflamatory)
Whilst I agree many of us will have made taxiing errors at times, isn't this EXACTLY the reason you should not taxi too fast, as seems to be the point in this thread!
(quite agree the post was over inflamatory)
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On the subject of the english language - White Knight says:
What exactly is it you "Imagine" here? Captain sits on left, tiller on left, F/O sits on the right.........
Maybe you "imagine" a graphic display of the Karma Sutra, in which case you should be a little less critical of the F/O taxiing since my t'inking is he (or she) is doing a fine job all things considered.......
There is a very valid point being made regarding the speed at which some Ryanair - captains I imagine !!!- taxi their aircraft.
Maybe you "imagine" a graphic display of the Karma Sutra, in which case you should be a little less critical of the F/O taxiing since my t'inking is he (or she) is doing a fine job all things considered.......
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The problem here is the phraseology. 'Give way to' does not have the same meaning as 'after the'. While the former implies the priority in the event of a conflict, it does not stop the aircraft given the instruction passing in front of the other one if they consider there is enough room to do so and can do so safely.
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when I am doing GMC and I give a clearance for an acft to give way to another, thats what I expect him to do.Not cut in front, as you suggest because you think there is enough room.There may also be other reasons why you are told to give way, Slot order,arranging acft in the departure sequence to expediate tfc.
when I am doing GMC and I give a clearance for an acft to give way to another, thats what I expect him to do.Not cut in front, as you suggest because you think there is enough room.There may also be other reasons why you are told to give way, Slot order,arranging acft in the departure sequence to expediate tfc.
It's interesting to note that some years ago, the UK ATC Regulators decreed that the phrase "Give way" should not be used in instructions to the drivers of vehicles. The ban did not apply to ATC instructions to pilots, but I suggest that "Give way to and follow the XXX" is even more specific.
It's not appropriate to judge the incident described, but I note that it took place at night, and there was confusion between two aircraft of the same type.
It's not appropriate to judge the incident described, but I note that it took place at night, and there was confusion between two aircraft of the same type.
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'Give Way' has the same meaning as it does on the roads. At a junction the 'Give Way' sign indicates that the traffic on the road you are entering has priority. This however does not stop you entering that road, quite often ahead of traffic already on it, as long as it is safe to do so. Therefore in aviation terms by issuing a 'give way' instruction you are indicating that a certain aircraft has priority but you can continue ahead of it if safe to do so. If it had the same meaning as 'after the', then for a start we would not have two different instructions, and secondly MATS PT1 would not prohibit the use of the 'give way' instruction to resolve conflictions between vehicles and aircraft.
'Give Way' has the same meaning as it does on the roads. At a junction the 'Give Way' sign indicates that the traffic on the road you are entering has priority. This however does not stop you entering that road, quite often ahead of traffic already on it, as long as it is safe to do so. Therefore in aviation terms by issuing a 'give way' instruction you are indicating that a certain aircraft has priority but you can continue ahead of it if safe to do so. If it had the same meaning as 'after the', then for a start we would not have two different instructions, and secondly MATS PT1 would not prohibit the use of the 'give way' instruction to resolve conflictions between vehicles and aircraft.
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Non-Pilot here!
I had a job interview with Ryanair in Dublin not so long ago for an Engineering job, one of the questions was:-
My answer probably lost me the job, but I said "I noticed that this morning when we left Luton at what seemed like 150mph"
(That was during taxi - not take off)
At least Ryanair are keeping Tyre manufacturers in business.
(Any spelling mistakes, please let me know I haven't been to school for a few years now!)
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I had a job interview with Ryanair in Dublin not so long ago for an Engineering job, one of the questions was:-
"We have a problem with our Pilots taxing too fast and wearing out excessive amounts of tyres, how would you deal with that?"
(That was during taxi - not take off)
At least Ryanair are keeping Tyre manufacturers in business.
(Any spelling mistakes, please let me know I haven't been to school for a few years now!)
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Hooligan,
Surely if the instruction is "Give Way to A300 coming from the right" then that is a mandatory instruction which must be adhered to-not a case of I reckon I can nip out in front of it. I can't believe the instruction would have simply been "Give Way"-can you?
In aviation terms the controller is issuing an instruction that the other aircraft has, as you say,priority and so far only you seem to find ambiguous. There is also the major difference with the roads in that here the controller makes the decisions at junctions,not you the driver!!
I also can't believe that you would prefer the instruction to be "Stop until the A300 passes" or would you?
I stand to be corrected here but if there is a general mis-understanding of what "give way" means then there are lots of ATCOs at airfields who had better keep a b****y good eye out.
Surely if the instruction is "Give Way to A300 coming from the right" then that is a mandatory instruction which must be adhered to-not a case of I reckon I can nip out in front of it. I can't believe the instruction would have simply been "Give Way"-can you?
In aviation terms the controller is issuing an instruction that the other aircraft has, as you say,priority and so far only you seem to find ambiguous. There is also the major difference with the roads in that here the controller makes the decisions at junctions,not you the driver!!
I also can't believe that you would prefer the instruction to be "Stop until the A300 passes" or would you?
I stand to be corrected here but if there is a general mis-understanding of what "give way" means then there are lots of ATCOs at airfields who had better keep a b****y good eye out.
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Apart from all the mud slinging which is mildly amusing the most staggering thing to me about this thread has been the references to Captains taxi and F/O's operate the radio!!! On a lot of our A/C there are two tillers and when it is the F/O's sector they taxi-staggering isn't it?!
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With respect to your posts:
A300man: ive flown Ryanair several times and have not once understood the pilots announcement.
Batty: Ryanair Pilot. Enough said there!!! 3 spelling mistakes in your post.
Hooligan Bill: I think j17 is somewhat more educated than you are.
spekesoftly: Your right the confusion is that TNT is half orange with tnt on the side and channel is white with channel express written on the side, no wonder they mixed the 2 up.
Maybe a seperate call should be made to Ryanair pilots which would avoid all these problems. How about:
Ryanair frxxx blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
A300man: ive flown Ryanair several times and have not once understood the pilots announcement.
Batty: Ryanair Pilot. Enough said there!!! 3 spelling mistakes in your post.
Hooligan Bill: I think j17 is somewhat more educated than you are.
spekesoftly: Your right the confusion is that TNT is half orange with tnt on the side and channel is white with channel express written on the side, no wonder they mixed the 2 up.
Maybe a seperate call should be made to Ryanair pilots which would avoid all these problems. How about:
Ryanair frxxx blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
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Dog:
With reference to spekesoftly in the above post, I think you meant "you're", rather than "your". Also, shouldn't there be an apostrophy or full stop after "your(sic) right".
When you rip this pish outta someone for their spelling, it helps to get it right yourself big fella :t Or is it a grammar issue? :o Never was much good at England meself.
Awaiting a burning reply.
FK
With reference to spekesoftly in the above post, I think you meant "you're", rather than "your". Also, shouldn't there be an apostrophy or full stop after "your(sic) right".
When you rip this pish outta someone for their spelling, it helps to get it right yourself big fella :t Or is it a grammar issue? :o Never was much good at England meself.
Awaiting a burning reply.
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I know what you mean! Do airside speed limits not apply to some pilots? Also, quite often I see a lot of pilots not even following the taxiway centre-line markings and cutting corners just so that they get on stand sooner.
Point of order
Just to be clear; Boeing built various versions of it's 737 range and from the outside it is impossible to tell whether the co-pilot has a tiller or not. Most, but not all, of the -200's I flew were steered from the left and nearly every -400 had dual control.
How about suggesting that 20kts should be the absolute limit on the ground and slower than that at night/bad weather.........
How about suggesting that 20kts should be the absolute limit on the ground and slower than that at night/bad weather.........