'AIRCRASH' Channel Four
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Forget, if you'd bothered to read my post properly you'd see I specifically mentioned the "explosion" that occurred during the decompression incident.
If all you learnt was not to stand in the wreckage while the fuselage melts around you then I rest my case. But I think most of us would have had that figured that out without even watching at all...
tonyt, it would send everyone to sleep a whole lot quicker than the average CRM module, for sure!
If all you learnt was not to stand in the wreckage while the fuselage melts around you then I rest my case. But I think most of us would have had that figured that out without even watching at all...
tonyt, it would send everyone to sleep a whole lot quicker than the average CRM module, for sure!
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I thought the prog was pretty good really, well above the normal network fare of dumbed down tripe.
It might just help Joe Public to appreciate the main role of Cabin Crew and maybe treat them with the respect that they deserve.
It might just help Joe Public to appreciate the main role of Cabin Crew and maybe treat them with the respect that they deserve.
I've seen both programmes, and concur with witchdoctors findings. Last nights dealt with the way our industry dealt with victims relatives in the past, and how they have been improved.
And they needed improving too, one example was showing the wreckage of one accident, as further wreckage was tipped in front of them from a truck, some of which included human remains.
They would make a very useful training tool for those employees who are on an airlines crisis team, particularly those who are in the front line dealing with the bereaved as an insight into their issues and requirements. An area I had not considered, and I have 20 years in the industry, which was covered, was the effect on those on the ground, who have suffered bereavement/injury/loss, from the falling debris/impact of the wreckage. So whilst uncomfortable viewing at times, overall a worthwhile programme.
And they needed improving too, one example was showing the wreckage of one accident, as further wreckage was tipped in front of them from a truck, some of which included human remains.
They would make a very useful training tool for those employees who are on an airlines crisis team, particularly those who are in the front line dealing with the bereaved as an insight into their issues and requirements. An area I had not considered, and I have 20 years in the industry, which was covered, was the effect on those on the ground, who have suffered bereavement/injury/loss, from the falling debris/impact of the wreckage. So whilst uncomfortable viewing at times, overall a worthwhile programme.
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i also caught the last half an hour of the program. It was a program that was factual and told it how it is. Flying is not always straight forward, each time you fly there is a risk.
On a lighter note i also caught a new comedy/soap/trash program called Mile High on Sky the other day. All light hearted fun though!
Oh dear, low cost operators are'nt really like that are they?..................
edited for a spell mistake.
On a lighter note i also caught a new comedy/soap/trash program called Mile High on Sky the other day. All light hearted fun though!
Oh dear, low cost operators are'nt really like that are they?..................
edited for a spell mistake.
I watched both programs. I agree that the editing was a bit dodgy in places, but generally thought provocking and interesting.
Airline dissaster programs aren't exactly new, so I don't think it will put people off, other than, perhaps those so scared of flying already that they have no intention of getting on an airliner and just need an excuse for it.
If it makes pax, who otherwise would ignore the saftey brief, take some notice off it, surely that's a good thing. Could well save lives...
Likewise, if it makes those idiots who think that CAs are just waitresses and give them a hard time, think again, than that is great.
I found the last program particually thought-provocking.
I've read alot of transcripts (in MCC courses etc) of some of these accidents, and seen it from a technical point of view. But to watch a man talking about them recovering the body of his wife (from the TWA 800 explosion) then his 8yr old daughter 2 days later and his 6yr old 2 days after that, brings home the effects of an accident. After all, if as flight crew, it all goes t***s up, one is probably not going to be around to worry about it. The hoary old saying of 'If my ass gets there, so will the passengers, so why worry about them' comes to mind. But when you watch that, you realise that attitude really doesn't wash.
Airline dissaster programs aren't exactly new, so I don't think it will put people off, other than, perhaps those so scared of flying already that they have no intention of getting on an airliner and just need an excuse for it.
If it makes pax, who otherwise would ignore the saftey brief, take some notice off it, surely that's a good thing. Could well save lives...
Likewise, if it makes those idiots who think that CAs are just waitresses and give them a hard time, think again, than that is great.
I found the last program particually thought-provocking.
I've read alot of transcripts (in MCC courses etc) of some of these accidents, and seen it from a technical point of view. But to watch a man talking about them recovering the body of his wife (from the TWA 800 explosion) then his 8yr old daughter 2 days later and his 6yr old 2 days after that, brings home the effects of an accident. After all, if as flight crew, it all goes t***s up, one is probably not going to be around to worry about it. The hoary old saying of 'If my ass gets there, so will the passengers, so why worry about them' comes to mind. But when you watch that, you realise that attitude really doesn't wash.
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Here's what I sent to Channel Four about this program. I find the use of fatal CVR recordings in this context quite appaling and baseless. Indeed, I'd say the same about the video recovered from the Columbia.. there is no motivation in watching/listening to such other than sheer voyeurism (though in the case of the families involved could accept a benefit.)
Could somebody from the production team please justify to me the reason why it is considered acceptable to use the Cockpit Voice recordings from fatal air accidents in any context other than the investigation of these accidents by relevant Accident Investigation boards?
Out of an investigative context, the last words of the pilots' become little more than voyeuristic entertainment. What can it conceivably add to any programme to use this as a resource?
The introduction of cockpit voice recording equipment was allowed in several countries only with the understanding that they would not be used beyond the purpose of establishing the human factor/technical contribution to the accident cause. I feel that to use them as the producers of this program have done (Palm 90 and Alaskan Airlines as examples) is not merely irresponsible but negligent for a program that claims to deal with the aftermath and recovery from such traumatic events for survivors and family.
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Out of an investigative context, the last words of the pilots' become little more than voyeuristic entertainment. What can it conceivably add to any programme to use this as a resource?
The introduction of cockpit voice recording equipment was allowed in several countries only with the understanding that they would not be used beyond the purpose of establishing the human factor/technical contribution to the accident cause. I feel that to use them as the producers of this program have done (Palm 90 and Alaskan Airlines as examples) is not merely irresponsible but negligent for a program that claims to deal with the aftermath and recovery from such traumatic events for survivors and family.
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Having watched all 3 progs I found the last one the most enlighting ....I was saddened at how dead passengers were demonised by the Airlines involved ,so as to reduce the amount of compensation awarded . Also how families of the dead had to fight to get at the truth ,as to the reasons the accident happened in the 1st place (as in the case of the parents who lost a son on the united decompression ). Overall i found the prorammes informative and as an after thought if they demonise the passengers in such a way how sure can we be, the way same won't happen to us !
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I have to partly agree with plan10 about videotape/cvr use often being voyeuristic in these types of programmes, but in the case of the final programme I felt that the editors were justified in using the Alaska CVR to help illustrate why lawyers for the victims claimed compensation for the suffering in the final moments before the crash.
It made exteremely uncomfortable viewing, but it was clear from the tape that the flightcrew knew they were almost certainly going to die, and from that you could infer the passengers would also know. This more than anything, brought it home to the viewer just how terrifyingly helpless the situation can be.
I take no pleasure from such footage, but I cannot fault the programme makers for producing a powerful and thought provoking series.
It made exteremely uncomfortable viewing, but it was clear from the tape that the flightcrew knew they were almost certainly going to die, and from that you could infer the passengers would also know. This more than anything, brought it home to the viewer just how terrifyingly helpless the situation can be.
I take no pleasure from such footage, but I cannot fault the programme makers for producing a powerful and thought provoking series.
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It told it how it is not how lots of fly boys want people to think it is.So what if they used footage and cockpit recordings it lets the viewer see how it really is and that is a good thing.You cant stick your head in the sand and hope that these programes wont be shown.
