Ryanair pilots: Are you happy?(merged)
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So it's RYR's fault that it was foggy is it?! Do you not think that BA/Easy or anyone else would also have canx their flight's given the same conditions?
RYR do operate Cat 3 a/c you know!
So it's RYR's fault that it was foggy is it?! Do you not think that BA/Easy or anyone else would also have canx their flight's given the same conditions?
RYR do operate Cat 3 a/c you know!
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Read Hotbus's post again. He was complaining about the complete lack of customer service from Ryanair. Of course it is not their fault that there was fog. However, what Hotbus was complaining about was the fact that Ryanair made absolutely no effort to get him onto a later flight (once the wx had lifted). Another airline, such as BA, would have you on the next available flight, usually within 24 hours. And if you had to wait around a while there would be a hotel room in the deal for you as well.
This is the main problem with low-cost airlines. The paying passenger in general doesn't realise that this is the drawback to flying on them and therefore when things do go wrong they are in for a big surprise. This is one of the reasons why low-cost airlines are so low-cost. You get what you pay for. Most customers will not suffer the consequences of a cancelled flight, but those who do (such as Hotbus) will simply fly with BA next time.
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Read Hotbus's post again. He was complaining about the complete lack of customer service from Ryanair. Of course it is not their fault that there was fog. However, what Hotbus was complaining about was the fact that Ryanair made absolutely no effort to get him onto a later flight (once the wx had lifted). Another airline, such as BA, would have you on the next available flight, usually within 24 hours. And if you had to wait around a while there would be a hotel room in the deal for you as well.
This is the main problem with low-cost airlines. The paying passenger in general doesn't realise that this is the drawback to flying on them and therefore when things do go wrong they are in for a big surprise. This is one of the reasons why low-cost airlines are so low-cost. You get what you pay for. Most customers will not suffer the consequences of a cancelled flight, but those who do (such as Hotbus) will simply fly with BA next time.
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eng 123,
Of course its not RYR's fault there were delays due to fog. But surely they shouldn't be able to arbitarily cancel flights that look like they will be inconvenient to operate?
When 26L/08R Lgw was resurfaced every night two summers ago, our CAT 3B capability meant nothing- all that was available was an SRA down to 1000'. Crap wx meant all the charter boys getting in at 4am
were diverting all over the place (all summer long). Yet my company cancelled not one flight, even though the punctuality stats went off the chart...
If RYR are making such good profits on such small margins, perhaps they should bite the bullet and cough up for a subcharter when it all goes pearshaped.
Of course its not RYR's fault there were delays due to fog. But surely they shouldn't be able to arbitarily cancel flights that look like they will be inconvenient to operate?
When 26L/08R Lgw was resurfaced every night two summers ago, our CAT 3B capability meant nothing- all that was available was an SRA down to 1000'. Crap wx meant all the charter boys getting in at 4am
were diverting all over the place (all summer long). Yet my company cancelled not one flight, even though the punctuality stats went off the chart...If RYR are making such good profits on such small margins, perhaps they should bite the bullet and cough up for a subcharter when it all goes pearshaped.
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So it's RYR's fault that it was foggy is it?! Do you not think that BA/Easy or anyone else would also have canx their flight's given the same conditions?
RYR do operate Cat 3 a/c you know!
I hear the 737-200's you have are all CAT 1!
By the way, other carriers make tactical cancellations due to decreased movement rates when LVP's are in force. They then reschedule pax onto other flights or provide compensation or hotel rooms. A long way from, "Sorry, your flight is cancelled now f**k off".
OLeeryAir are a 'Value' brand. Devoid of poncey brand identity (BA) other than the fact that you get to somewhere in Europe for the price of hardback book it appears too good to be true. Like the 'blue and white striped goods' at Tescos, you may one day think, "Well they are only spaghetti hoops and they're 16p a can!". You buy them and realise after sampling it why you won't do so again.
Serious and founded allegation bit.
They chip at the boundaries of Flight Time Limitations, they demonise Union representation so that those who feel safety is compromised can be summarily dismissed without recourse (Non Union clause in Employment Contract)
That's why I bash Ryanair. Now would anyone like some Spaghetti on toast for tea?
RYR do operate Cat 3 a/c you know!
I hear the 737-200's you have are all CAT 1!
By the way, other carriers make tactical cancellations due to decreased movement rates when LVP's are in force. They then reschedule pax onto other flights or provide compensation or hotel rooms. A long way from, "Sorry, your flight is cancelled now f**k off".
OLeeryAir are a 'Value' brand. Devoid of poncey brand identity (BA) other than the fact that you get to somewhere in Europe for the price of hardback book it appears too good to be true. Like the 'blue and white striped goods' at Tescos, you may one day think, "Well they are only spaghetti hoops and they're 16p a can!". You buy them and realise after sampling it why you won't do so again.
Serious and founded allegation bit.
They chip at the boundaries of Flight Time Limitations, they demonise Union representation so that those who feel safety is compromised can be summarily dismissed without recourse (Non Union clause in Employment Contract)
That's why I bash Ryanair. Now would anyone like some Spaghetti on toast for tea?
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As a point of fact of the 737-200 are all Cat 2 or 3, most Cat 3. Some are occasionally Cat 1 due servisability limitations or crew limitations.
I guess high cost airlines are all allways Cat 3!!!
Get your facts right befor spouting off please!!!!
PS Walking through Stanstead today I heard a BA flight to Manchester cancelled due to technical reasons....does that mean they are all Cat 0.....
I guess high cost airlines are all allways Cat 3!!!
Get your facts right befor spouting off please!!!!
PS Walking through Stanstead today I heard a BA flight to Manchester cancelled due to technical reasons....does that mean they are all Cat 0.....
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Know the beast!!!
I think the most important issues have been skipped here. Ryan Air will squeeze every last drop out of everything to increase profit. .... and that means pilots too.
900 hours a year, maybe upto 1200 with some dodgy accounting. A pension based on virtually half your pay. Share options which no one can trust. Open ended contracts. No leave when you want it. Days long and frequent enough to make you think you are a long haul pilot. Crew resources so thin on the ground you'll get no respect from overworked 'support staff'. And if anythin goes wrong you are on your own.... try telling the family you just got demoted or sacked because the arrogant cadet (190 hrs!)you were flying with just screwed up and theres no one to pay the mortgage now. Sure you might even fly a nice aircraft but i heard that some 800 Captains are being pushed back onto the 200.
oh yeah ... if anyone spouting purely how great it all is must be management!! .... ' i luv to fly ' take note!
900 hours a year, maybe upto 1200 with some dodgy accounting. A
pension based on virtually half your pay. Share options which no one can trust. Open ended contracts. No leave when you want it. Days long and frequent enough to make you think you are a long haul pilot. Crew resources so thin on the ground you'll get no respect from overworked 'support staff'. And if anythin goes wrong you are on your own.... try telling the family you just got demoted or sacked because the arrogant cadet (190 hrs!)you were flying with just screwed up and theres no one to pay the mortgage now. Sure you might even fly a nice aircraft but i heard that some 800 Captains are being pushed back onto the 200. oh yeah ... if anyone spouting purely how great it all is must be management!! .... ' i luv to fly ' take note!
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Take The Visual
I was reading your post there and just had to reply. You have obviously been in the company a while, i guessed you had your 'angry head' on when you wrote this, it did make me laugh though. It was a laugh of empathy though, you hit the nail EXACTLY on the head.
For anyone reading this, i would guess Take the visual has seen the company change from a great little outfit to a large company that is prepared to mess everyone about for the sake of profit!
I luv to fly - tell me it isn't so, if you dare !
I was reading your post there and just had to reply. You have obviously been in the company a while, i guessed you had your 'angry head' on when you wrote this, it did make me laugh though. It was a laugh of empathy though, you hit the nail EXACTLY on the head.
For anyone reading this, i would guess Take the visual has seen the company change from a great little outfit to a large company that is prepared to mess everyone about for the sake of profit!
I luv to fly - tell me it isn't so, if you dare !
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A friend of mine recently returned from Antigua on BA- the a/c was tech and a long delay of around 36hr was a result. BA treated the pax badly- no apologies-hotel or compensation at the time was offered.
Just because Ryanair are low cost- doesn't mean they treat pax like crap- nor easyJet etc.
Just because Ryanair are low cost- doesn't mean they treat pax like crap- nor easyJet etc.
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Low cost!!!!?
Right then 'go for fun'..... Have you seen the cabin crew at Ryan Air? They have an eighty percent turnover... that is they are treated like dirt, worked to the bone and therefore 80 percent either resign or are sacked EVERY year. Why? because its cheaper by not paying pensions or long term benefits.
The only JAR rule applied to them is minimum rest. As a result they are 18 year old pissed off school children. And you want them to
at you too! You try flying >150 hours a month. (c.crew)
Low fares management strategy means low standards of service. Why .... cos they are savin money.....'n cos we are all knackered!!! simple as that. All Nigel has to do is worry about the freshness of his crew meal and which hostie he'll try it on with on the night stop. ... oh yes nigel do you ever know proper RT procedure!! Stop waffling you spoilt brat.
Apparently thier pilots are even told to leave without bags rather than take a delay if the bags are late.
Easy jet and Buzz welcome to the world of REAL business. I pity us all. Good luck to all who manage to get a real job in a career airline. God only hopes that O'leary wont have conquered the world before i can. Bring it on you bags of air. .... I think i am going for a sit down now. 
The only JAR rule applied to them is minimum rest. As a result they are 18 year old pissed off school children. And you want them to
at you too! You try flying >150 hours a month. (c.crew)Low fares management strategy means low standards of service. Why .... cos they are savin money.....'n cos we are all knackered!!! simple as that. All Nigel has to do is worry about the freshness of his crew meal and which hostie he'll try it on with on the night stop. ... oh yes nigel do you ever know proper RT procedure!! Stop waffling you spoilt brat.
Apparently thier pilots are even told to leave without bags rather than take a delay if the bags are late.
Easy jet and Buzz welcome to the world of REAL business. I pity us all. Good luck to all who manage to get a real job in a career airline. God only hopes that O'leary wont have conquered the world before i can. Bring it on you bags of air.
.... I think i am going for a sit down now.
