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Q: Braking on a passenger twin when landing with an engine out

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Old 12th Jan 2024, 13:37
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Originally Posted by dixi188
N605PE 1st Feb 1988. Only no. 4 engine lost thrust.
The aircraft turned onto the runway, was passed its take-off clearance together with a reported
wind of 210°/10 kt, and it began its take-off roll at 1057 hrs. The commander, who was the
handling pilot, rotated the aircraft at 160 kt indicated airspeed. As the main wheels left the
runway a loud bang was heard and the second officer (flight engineer) announced a loss of
power from No 4 engine. The landing gear was retracted and the throttles of 1, 2 & 3 engines
were pushed fully forward. It was noted that the EGT of No 4 engine was off the scale of the
gauge with the amber warning light illuminated. The second officer then initiated fuel dumping
by opening all the valves and operating the appropriate pumps. The commander was
aware that the flight profile was flat and that the aircraft was approaching rising ground. He
tried to minimise the loss of height whilst attempting to increase airspeed and reported that
the stick shaker, giving warning of an imminent stall, was in operation for some 30 seconds.
When sufficient speed had built up to permit flap retraction, the aircraft was able to climb
eventually to 4000 feet where the dumping of fuel continued over an area near the south coast.
The air (tower) controller, who had witnessed the loss of height together with an abnormal
pitch up and 20° right roll, sounded the crash alarm since it appeared to him that the aircraft
had disappeared below the horizon and was about to crash. Other eye witnesses had seen the
aircraft make a normal rotation some two thirds along the runway and then flames were seen
to issue from the tail pipe of No 4 engine. The aircraft was seen to pitch up and roll to the right
as it continued on a flat flight path towards rising ground. Some witnesses saw flames issuing
from No 1 engine and a cabin attendant seated by door 2L saw flames coming from the fan
area of No 1 engine. A resident near the brow of Russ Hill, 2500 metres from the threshold of
runway 08, saw the aircraft appear from her left at a low height just clearing a neighbouring
farm house before disappearing in a cloud of vapour towards the west.


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Old 13th Jan 2024, 15:18
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Originally Posted by tdracer
........."Two engines out on one side, then having to do a go-around? Talk about having a bad day!"
Reminded me of my uncle Robert, who was a test pilot at F'boro in 1944. He was tasked to take one of the 2 (3?) prototype Vickers Windsor bombers to test and measure performance with both engines out on one side. He did that at 10,000ft, but then couldn't restart/unfeather either of the stopped engines. So he descended through cloud, unsure of his position, and then, as he put it, stooged around with a bootfull of rudder looking for a runway. He eventually found one (Grove) but misjudged the surface wind and landed downwind, writing off the aircraft at the far end. Quite a few WWII bomber pilots learned the hard way to fly with up to 3 engines inop. The problem of unmanageable yaw applied then as now. Uncle Robert said later that there was only a whisker between the power needed to maintain about 3,000 ft AGL and the power at which the yaw overcame the rudder.
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