Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter. You won't be moved on by 'security' and there'll be plenty of experts to answer any questions.

Q about cloud bases

Old 19th Nov 2021, 13:22
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: LPFL
Age: 58
Posts: 80
Q about cloud bases

Sorry if this has already been debated endlessly but I saw this tweet today about operations at Barra (EGPR)

"Aircraft did not land in Barra today because of ... BREXIT!! UK airlines no longer have access to superior EU navigation and satellite guidance. So rather than needing mist free skies at 650feet they now need 830feet."

Without getting into politics please, can any of the pro's confirm if this is true or not and, if it is, what it's all about (in layman's terms)
Midland63 is offline  
Old 19th Nov 2021, 13:39
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 13,361
Withdrawal of EGNOS for UK users

There's also more background elsewhere on PPRuNe - do a forum search for EGNOS.
DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 19th Nov 2021, 15:28
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: uk
Posts: 796
If an instrument approach is based on 'traditional' navaids (ILS, VOR, NDB) then there would be no difference. If the approach is PBN/RNP/RNAV/GPS/GNSS (pick your abbreviation, they're all in use) then it's based on satellite technology. If there is an augmentation system eg EGNOS (WAAS in US) then it is more accurate and you can have a lower approach minima.

https://www.aurora.nats.co.uk/htmlAI...hics/40521.pdf

This link should show the RNAV approach to Barra RW 25. In the bottom left corner you can see the approach minima in feet - LPV refers to EGNOS augmentation, LNAV without, and there you can see the differences.
deltahotel is offline  
Old 19th Nov 2021, 18:22
  #4 (permalink)  

Avoid imitations
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Wandering the FIR and cyberspace often at highly unsociable times
Posts: 13,438
The LPV "enhanced" system still exists, and is still received by aircraft systems, but in the UK, pilots are not allowed to take advantage of the lower approach altitudes it allows.

It's a ridiculous situation, similar to folk being able to receive TV stations but not being allowed to watch them live unless a TV licence has been paid for. Unfortunately, with regard to LPV, the individual cannot buy into the system, it's a government responsibility.
ShyTorque is offline  
Old 19th Nov 2021, 20:28
  #5 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: LPFL
Age: 58
Posts: 80
Thank you for the informative replies
Midland63 is offline  
Old 19th Nov 2021, 21:14
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: se england
Posts: 1,322
A small price to pay for getting our own sovereignty back ,, for more important than these myriad practical useful modern things, tic
pax britanica is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.