Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Misc. Forums > Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner)
Reload this Page >

B.E.A. Red square colour scheme

Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter. You won't be moved on by 'security' and there'll be plenty of experts to answer any questions.

B.E.A. Red square colour scheme

Old 13th Dec 2020, 17:26
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 12,796
Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Didn't the red wings come about as a hi-viz measure after a tragic mid air somewhere in Turkey or Yugoslavia, have a vague memory it was something to with that.
A BEA Viscount had a mid-air collision with an Italian AF F-86 in 1958, a year or so before the "Red square" scheme was adopted.

I'm not aware of any link between the two events.
DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 23rd Mar 2021, 17:03
  #22 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Alba
Posts: 33
When did the "red square" scheme change? Or did it?
Was the shiny metal lower half at some time changed to a pale grey paint scheme? (like FB in Duxford museum)
If so, when, and why?
jaytee54 is offline  
Old 23rd Mar 2021, 22:08
  #23 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 1998
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1,965
Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Didnt the red wings come about as a hi-viz measure after a tragic mid air somewhere in Turkey or Yugoslavia, have a vague memory it was something to with that .
The Zagreb collision occured in 1976, red wings appeared in 1959.
Groundloop is offline  
Old 24th Mar 2021, 07:50
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 12,796
Originally Posted by jaytee54 View Post
When did the "red square" scheme change? Or did it?
It changed fairly early on (not sure of the exact date) in that the red square on the fin/rudder was made considerably bigger::





DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 24th Mar 2021, 18:14
  #25 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Dorset
Posts: 361
I always thought the red wings were introduced after the Munich / Manchester United accident to improve pilots' ability to spot surface contamination. I can't remember where I'd read or heard this, but the timing of their introduction in 1959 stated above ties in with the aftermath of the Munich Elizabethan accident in 1958. Could be purely coincidental - and the Viscount / F86 mid-air collision in Italy was later in 1958 as well.
Albert Hall is offline  
Old 25th Mar 2021, 09:38
  #26 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: by the seaside
Age: 71
Posts: 962
On a side note around 20 years ago the GSA...(UK military gliding association) did a trial with two crews and two aircraft one of which had dayglow orange anti collision markings no doubt brought on by the requirement for gliders rock polishing in the french alps. The test under radar showed very little difference and iirc favoured the non marked up aircraft being viewed earlier. The crews were interchanged between aircraft.
It was suggested that the eye/brain recognises danger by shape and by breaking up the shape with colour flashes was a form of camouflage hence the derogatory effect.
The french subsequently brought in the requirement for flarm.
blind pew is offline  
Old 25th Mar 2021, 10:32
  #27 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Dorset UK
Age: 67
Posts: 1,257
Thread drift.
Back in about 1981 at BCAL Gatwick, the BAC1-11s were getting the wingtips hit by Transit vans quite regularly, so it was decided to paint the wingtips dayglo orange.
The first such painted aircraft left the hangar on a Friday. I came to work on the following Monday to see that aircraft in the hangar having a wingtip changed due to Transit van damage.
It seemed that now bright dayglo, the wingtip could not be missed.
dixi188 is online now  
Old 25th Mar 2021, 11:39
  #28 (permalink)  
Gnome de PPRuNe
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Too close to Croydon for comfort
Age: 57
Posts: 8,037
Dixi, I'd forgotten about those! Why just Cale and not Dan-Dare or Laker?

Think the Vanguard looked great in the BEA schemes...
treadigraph is online now  
Old 25th Mar 2021, 19:48
  #29 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: South East
Posts: 66
Distinctly remember BA BAC1-11s having fluorescent markings on the wingtips in the Landor livery. Stuck in my mind as always thought it looked unusual.

Downwind_Left is offline  
Old 5th Apr 2021, 09:11
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: N . Daarset
Age: 68
Posts: 212
Dixi , despite the hi viz wing tips ..I seem to remember one of our S-111s taking the cab off a JCB at GLA ... Guessing the JCB was yellow ..

rgds condor .
condor17 is offline  
Old 6th Apr 2021, 20:32
  #31 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Stockport MAN/EGCC
Age: 67
Posts: 937
Has anyone ever found an artists impression of a Fairey Rotordyne in BEA red square livery in colour ? Iíve found a couple in black and white.
Thanks
The AvgasDinosaur is offline  
Old 6th Apr 2021, 20:50
  #32 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 12,796


http://www.redbackaviation.com/wp-co...yne-layout.jpg
DaveReidUK is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.