DFC

Well said Danny.

The Piloting profession must be the only one I know of where people who are qualified are called wannabees.

If one takes a consultant as being the ATPL of medicine, how many wanabee doctors (misters) do we rely on?

Can we have part of the 3 Magpies cordened off for people with four bars or more please?

This must be a joke

DFC

lomapaseo

> Finally, a lot of the PPs here are "another numbers" who haven't bothered their @rse paying even a few bob to help this service. I earn <25k USD in my job and while it wasn't a lot it wasn't nothing either - a lot of the PPs kicking up a fuss should consider the cost of running a verified service when now they pay b*gger all! <

Anytime they want some money from me they can ask. I would gladly pay for a well run forum I assumed that those paying were paying for vanity plate priveleges to hang on their arse in front of the rest of us

Shadowpurser

That was exactly my point! If you want a better board with full time staff running it for you - then support it by putting your hands in your pockets and becoming more than "just another number" or getting an icon like Danny's
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my $60 order is being processed for both - and I'm not a pilot and I suspect that most posting on here earn substantially more than me.

flapsforty

lomapaseo, that might or might not be be the case.

Speaking for myself and many of the PPRuNers I know personally, the "vanity plates" were bought out of a genuine desire to support a site which gives us much pleasure for absolutely free.

Cynicism versus idealism, or realism versus head-in-clouds, you pick.

If you are interested in supporting the old place and getting your own monniker, click here.

MrBig

I have to say that, over the years, I have the impression that PPrune has been Dumbed down. I would find it personally benificial if the site was restored to a serious discussion on the topics of the day.

Frankly, personal attacks and general abuse are of no interest. A PP forum, hopefuly, would restore the site to its former glory.

roger

Why continue?
Capt PPRuNe said it all.
roger

Wino

Flaps,
I would love to support the site, just can't think of a moniker... Was thinking of "Damn Yankee" or maybe my favorite from WWII describing the US airmen "Overpaid, oversexed, and overHERE..."

But none of them seem quite right...


As to the thread, everything that everyone is asking for (and I mean everything) is available somewhere on the web. Feel free to go out and find it. Danny is doing an excellent job and the current setup is the best compromise possible...

Cheers
Wino

PS. I think I just thought of my handle, thanks to the award presented to me at the ASH bash...

Indiana Jones

I agree that the content of the forum has been spoilt somewhat by others. I'm not a pilot, but have been a station manager of US schedule carriers for 20 years now, since I was 24. I would not want to be 'locked' out of such an important source of information to me and a continued way to work together with a number of individuals from various areas of the business.

undertheweather

Its the Club mentality, I'm afraid. I'm sure the Ferrari owners club (for example) don't appreciate a man in a Ford turning up at their meetings. This is a particularly English (not British) trait, and one that will probably be with us for a while.

As a PPL, this is the very first time I have contributed to a thread other than in 'Private Flying'. Usually, I have no desire to, but I do enjoy reading the contents (for interest as well as amusement) of various fora.

My suggestion is to keep the site as it is, with all the variety, lunatic posters, wise old men and others, but take the word 'Professional' out of the title. This may take the wind out of the over-inflated sails of those who started this thread.

PPRUNE is dead - long live PRUNE

Whirlybird

I have one very simple question to put to all the people who want a Professional Pilots only forum:

What makes you think that passing the CPL/ATPL exams and getting paid to fly suddenly turns a stupid or annoying person into something else?

I passed them, nearly a year ago. I'm the same person I was before. I think I'll be the same when I get that first flying job too. If I annoy anyone now - and sometimes I do...guess what...I still will then.

And if you think I'm wrong, please explain why.

nosefirsteverytime

May I just put in my two cent?

I'm a "nintendo/armchair" pilot myself (In fact, I have no flight sim to speak of since the CD ROM went bust over a year ago, so I'm even in envy of the desk pilots!) Now, the only, single, solitary reason I come here is because I intend to be involved in the aviation business. It won't be long till I'm either in Aero Eng or Lessons gaining a CPL. I for one are glad that PPRuNe is open to public viewing, have learned a great deal from its pages and, most importantly, opinions got from here have influenced my future decisions on my career path.

However, I feel that for a first timer, who sees the page (after referral from somewhere else) and scrolls down through the BBs, his/her eyes will be drawn to the "WannaBees" section. Now I know scroggs et al have posted on top what is or isn't to go in there, I feel that the "inexperienced" first-post Newbie questions should be put on a seperate forum altogether, questions like "what does it take to be a pilot?" "how much?" "what's the medical like?"and all those simple introductory queries that we all asked when we first looked at flying airplanes. Then when suitable threads are built up, then put an "announcement" on top with links to the most Frequently Asked Threads.

Now then, my opinions on people who have nothing more than a hobby's worth of an interest. I think they are alright, but they must be honest as to who they are. They cannot come out all acronyms and such talking about the possible causes of an air crash when they're doing nowt but waffling.

I think it's true for most rules on this forum when I say "Honesty is the best policy"

Oh, and can I change my vote to the flogging dead horse one?

Jet II

Why are people continuing with this thread - Danny told us 3 days ago that there were to be no private forums and he gave us all the reasons.

If some people want a 'private' forum can I suggest they spend less time whinging about it here and set up their own web-site. Don't forget this web-site belongs to Danny and his is the FINAL word.

Guido

Possibly the reason posts are continuing is that people can't be bothered to read all 6 previous pages.
I have just sat in front of my screen for over an hour and changed my opinion several times. I was glad, actually relieved when I came across the official responses, and having read and understood them am amazed the thread continues.
Perhaps Danny could insert a précis of the official standing at the top of each page and newcomers/inquisitive parties would quickly realise that nothing will change in the immediate future.
My view? As a military aviator I take my chances in our open forum and very rarely post outside (or even within), preferring to use self-control and an alcohol activated lock on my keyboard to ensure sense prevails.

teropa

Hi,

There's also an option of locking the thread, which is what should be done to this one asap, as the rest of the discussion would probably be just "I'm glad that blablabla.." or "I don't understand the decision because blablabla".

The system remains, and that's that. Is there a dead horse somewhere??

cheers,
Tero

Soggy

If CPL's want a private place to make their opinion s and views known without fear of others knowing them (which is what some seem to want), then do not use the internet.
There will always be someone listening.
Perhaps there should be a separate forum so you can realise what you are after is never going to be achievable.

Nintnedo and FS2000 boffs are too busy flying their 747's to spend too much time looking at this anyway.

Alchemy

As a mere instrument rated PPL I enjoy reading this forum because it is a source of valuable insight into the airline world for people, such as myself, who one day hope to join the ranks of you ATP's.

I would support having this forum available to non Pro-Pilots on a "read-only" basis. I, for one, read this forum daily, but rarely make contributions.

MaxAOB

Lots of valid argument but i agree that PPrune seems to have become a victim of its own success. I personally don't believe that it is anything like the forum that it once was and now only visit the site about once a month or so, whereas it used to be about once every 2/3 days. These things happen though and you cannot prevent others from contributing to the various discussions (even if the majority are polluted by some silly comments). Positively though on really serious issues the comment is generally good and enhanced by sensible contributions from non pilot professionals.
I fear that it is something that we must live with as much as slot delays, unruly passengers and dare i say it - the management!!

Regards

126.9

Go on then. Even Danny must think it's a good idea. Running this site I'm sure he's pulled all of his hair out by now.

What about a locked forum for Licensed Professional Aviation Personnel? That is; anyone that holds a licence to practice his/her role in aviation, gets access?

Go on then... shoot me down!!!

PPRuNe Towers

I refer the honourable gentleman to the shooting down that occured some pages ago.

BlueEagle

It never ceases to amaze me the number of clowns who leap in at the end of a thread and post without even bothering to read the previous four or five pages!