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Cargo
Has there been a sudden upsurge in the air freight business recently? Watching the Kalitta Air flight at Heathrow recently piqued my curiosity. I had never previously noticed a cargo flight to Cincinnati. A day or two later, DHL flew Heathrow to Cincinnati and today I discovered that BA flew 2 of their 777s to San Francisco as pure cargo flights on March 23rd. The next day, they sent another 3 cargo only flights again to San Francisco, followed on March 25th by 2 more. Not only that, they used one of their brand new A321NEO to operate a cargo only flight to Frankfurt and a 787-9 to do the same to Delhi. Where did all this cargo suddenly come from?
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DIBO: Yes, I understand that but they seem to have been flying passenger flights in addition. The cargo flights I was referring to even had different flight numbers to the usual pax flights.
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Originally Posted by Mr @ Spotty M
Virgin operated there first ever cargo only flight, LHR to JFK on the 22nd March (medical supplies) with more to come this week.
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My guess is they would have originated in Asia with a final destination of the USA.
Virgin Cargo has a problem that the majority of its pax flights have been cancelled, so then have a logistical problem of getting any cargo they have to there final destination.
Many airlines around the world are now flying passenger aircraft with only cargo on them, some are not only using the lower holds but securing cargo in the cabin to the seats.
Virgin Cargo has a problem that the majority of its pax flights have been cancelled, so then have a logistical problem of getting any cargo they have to there final destination.
Many airlines around the world are now flying passenger aircraft with only cargo on them, some are not only using the lower holds but securing cargo in the cabin to the seats.
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Many airlines around the world are now flying passenger aircraft with only cargo on them, some are not only using the lower holds but securing cargo in the cabin to the seats.
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For the OP. Cincinnati (CVG) is the main US hub for DHL. DHLAir uk has been operating daily, sometimes more, to JFKand CVG since Sep 2009. Usually from EMA, LEJ, BRU.
Cargo has always been there, but it’s not always obvious - the massive growth area in the last 20 years. Kalitta is one of many big contractors operating on behalf of DHL.
Usually I neither know nor care what’s down the back. A 767 will carry 55T, which is a lot of parcels from a lot of customers. Maybe filter on DHK on FR24.
HtH,
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Cargo has always been there, but it’s not always obvious - the massive growth area in the last 20 years. Kalitta is one of many big contractors operating on behalf of DHL.
Usually I neither know nor care what’s down the back. A 767 will carry 55T, which is a lot of parcels from a lot of customers. Maybe filter on DHK on FR24.
HtH,
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DHL have been increasing their operations to help shift more cargo across the Atlantic...
A copy from an announcement on OAG Inforwarding the other day
A copy from an announcement on OAG Inforwarding the other day
To Europe, the Middle East, and Africa – DHL Aviation continues to increase the weekly scheduled
Cargo charter frequency. To supplement the normal DHL Express schedule, DHL ACS will add 18
weekly cargo charters / +1200 tons, Week 13 (March 23) to Europe and the Middle East as follows:
- CVGEMA - +6 A330F – days 2 through 7; +300T / week,
- CVGLHR (new) - +2 A330F – days ¾; +100T / week
- CVGLEJ - +7 77F / A330F – days 1 through 7; +550T / week
- CVGBRU - +1 767F – day 7; + 50T
- CVGBAH - +1 747F – day 1; +75T
- JFKEMA - +1 767F – day 6; +50T
- MIABRU/LEJ (new service) - +5 767F – days 2 through 6; + 250T
Cargo charter frequency. To supplement the normal DHL Express schedule, DHL ACS will add 18
weekly cargo charters / +1200 tons, Week 13 (March 23) to Europe and the Middle East as follows:
- CVGEMA - +6 A330F – days 2 through 7; +300T / week,
- CVGLHR (new) - +2 A330F – days ¾; +100T / week
- CVGLEJ - +7 77F / A330F – days 1 through 7; +550T / week
- CVGBRU - +1 767F – day 7; + 50T
- CVGBAH - +1 747F – day 1; +75T
- JFKEMA - +1 767F – day 6; +50T
- MIABRU/LEJ (new service) - +5 767F – days 2 through 6; + 250T
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Originally Posted by KelvinD
It was the DHL going from Heathrow rather than any of the other hubs that intrigued me. Usually at Heathrow you see DHL traffic to and from Germany only.
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Except for one (GCELW) the aircraft used by J2 for night freight were QC freighters. The seats were taken out in the evening and replaced for passenger flying in the morning. They had roller floors and used freight containers which were lower than normal to fit under the overhead lockers which remained in place during the role change.
the only loose mail bags were loaded in the belly holds if required. LW was a pure freighter which used standard containers.
the only loose mail bags were loaded in the belly holds if required. LW was a pure freighter which used standard containers.
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Dave Reid. I can’t answer your question I’m afraid other than to reiterate some comments above about how no one really knows how Network make their decisions!
I’m more fascinated at the detail of your interest in our operation! But you are very welcome.
mme. Yes, more transatlantic to do. The a330 will be EAT, 777 aerologic, 747 prob kalitta but could be Atlas or Global and the 767s DHK.
I’m more fascinated at the detail of your interest in our operation! But you are very welcome.
mme. Yes, more transatlantic to do. The a330 will be EAT, 777 aerologic, 747 prob kalitta but could be Atlas or Global and the 767s DHK.
