Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Misc. Forums > Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner)
Reload this Page >

Pilot bars - uniform not drinking establishments!

Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter. You won't be moved on by 'security' and there'll be plenty of experts to answer any questions.

Pilot bars - uniform not drinking establishments!

Reply

Old 4th Oct 2018, 10:37
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Ilmington, Warwickshire
Posts: 53
Pilot bars - uniform not drinking establishments!

Random question but; what do different numbers of bars mean on co pilots? I know captains always have 4 but when I flew on a recent flight with Norwegian, the first officer ( I assume? ) only had one, however on other Norwegian flights, Iíve seen them with 2 or 3 bars. I guessed it was based on hours/seniority but when I watched the recent EasyJet documentary, even the most junior had 2 bars. Likewise with BA.
BehindBlueEyes is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 4th Oct 2018, 11:34
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 7
One bar = second officer.
Two bars= first officer
Three bars= senior first officer
dukiematic is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 4th Oct 2018, 14:11
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: UK
Age: 57
Posts: 282
It depends entirely on the taste of the company's management team and/or Chief Pilot. Every company I've worked for except one, F/Os wore three bars. Two of those companies used the grade SFO and there was no distinction in rank; one company used two bars for FOs who had not yet finished their line training. First company I worked for used two for FO and three for SFO but upon the arrival of a new boss, all FOs got a third bar. I understand that when he went elsewhere, his replacement reinstated two-bar FOs.
Sepp is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 4th Oct 2018, 17:38
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Euroland
Posts: 130
This video covers it pretty well
Tom! is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 5th Oct 2018, 14:51
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: mids
Age: 53
Posts: 484
you wouldn't believe how much oxygen is wasted on the subject of bars. How many, what colour. Will the uniform jumper or jacket have tabs to put them on...

I only ever bother to see if we can get a pen holder on the LH sleeve of the jumper, when that gets veto'd I loose interest very quickly.

The subject gets some people very excited though.. Some I suspect would take an extra bar rather than a pay rise.
tescoapp is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11th Oct 2018, 13:35
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Delta of Venus
Posts: 355
Doesn't mean much in the modern airline era and even less in the bizjet world. My first corporate aviation employer - 2 bar silver, the next 3 bar gold, current operation no bars, we just have smart suits and take it in turns to be the Captain. (We only use 4 bar epaulettes if we go to the gulf or somewhere where they respect/expect a bit of bling!)
Private jet is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11th Oct 2018, 15:42
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,050
I may be wrong (the age you know) but I think I seem to remember 3 bar Captains and 2 bar F/Os on the odd commuter airline here and there. Could that be correct?
Hotel Tango is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11th Oct 2018, 15:51
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Ireland
Posts: 52
From my working experience:
  • Four bars = Captain
  • Three bars = First Officer (>1,500 hrs)
  • Two bars = Second officer (<1,500 hours)
One bar is occasionally used for cabin crew.

In a legacy carrier I know of, the first officers wear two bars until they've been employed at the airline for 10 years.
ShamrockF is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11th Oct 2018, 20:34
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: I wouldn't know.
Posts: 3,778
I think the 2 bar thing is mainly an anglo-saxon feature, haven't seen that over here to be honest. To be honest, 2 bars usually meant Purser or cabin crew manager.
Denti is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11th Oct 2018, 23:02
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,050
Denti, I don't know where "over here" is, but I can tell you that 2 bars is a lot more common than you seem to think - and certainly not just an anglo-saxon feature as you put it.
Hotel Tango is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 12th Oct 2018, 05:22
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Not where I want to be
Age: 64
Posts: 180
Like port and starboard, copied from the maritime world where;
One bar: second mate/third engineer
Two bars: first officer/second engineer
Three bars: chief mate/first engineer
Four bars: captain/chief engineer
To distinguish between deck and engine officers, one had a command diamond, the other a propeller. Electricians, radio operators and pursers had their own system with silver bars.
The system was pretty universal, when a pilot entered a ship he immediately knew who was who.
Per
Ancient Mariner is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 12th Oct 2018, 15:35
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: London/Fort Worth
Posts: 2
And not to forget that Engineers have a purple background on their bars to identify them - copied from Royal Navy circa 1865..
BAengineer is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 12th Oct 2018, 20:14
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Delta of Venus
Posts: 355
And not to forget that Engineers have a purple background on their bars to identify them - copied from Royal Navy circa 1865
Actually in BA it was maroon dear boy, (flight engineers, when they had them) & BOAC ( both flight & maintenance). I know the merchant marine engineers have a purple stripe, royal navy, no idea. A certain far eastern outfit had purple stripes for flight engineers but they were too petty to give the senior ones a full third stripe. Some gave the engineers red stripes which was always traditionally reserved for the medics. Some "third world" airlines had four gold bars with red stripes in between... madness, how does anyone cope with all this blatant confusion of status.......
Private jet is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 12th Oct 2018, 23:49
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: London/Fort Worth
Posts: 2
The Middle East like their gold - at one outfit I had 4 stripes (no color in between) and at another 3 stripes with the maroon/purple background. Didnt mean a lot as the cleaning supervisor had 2 stripes - although it did give much enjoyment seeing some new Captains trying to explain some inbound technical defect to the cleaner from the sub continent who was just nodding and saying 'yes sir'..
BAengineer is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 13th Oct 2018, 08:59
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Somewhere very sunny !
Age: 47
Posts: 282
I worked with a man who owned a airline company in Denmark, he wore 5 stripes. I challenged him one day as to why he wore 5 stripes and his reply was simple

"When you own the airline, you can wear what the F%ck you want". I left it at that
Impress to inflate is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 13th Oct 2018, 15:46
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: stansted,essex,europe
Posts: 94
Bars

Ernest Gann tells us that he started with one stripe and with experience gained a half stripe and when promoted to command he wore two stripes
Brookmans Park is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 14th Oct 2018, 14:57
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: moraira,spain
Age: 76
Posts: 270
Ship I was on (130,000 tons) Captain wore jumper & jeans. One could go on the bridge
anytime. Coffee & biscuits there, except if he was in his full rig, only worn if the pilot was on board.
Junior ranks, usually uniform.
Last ship, Captain (Italian) always in whites. Medics with red stripe between the braid.
esa-aardvark is offline  
Reply With Quote

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service