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Old 11th Nov 2017, 15:12
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More to the point, there is no second hand market for used A380's.
Hehehehehe....ouch
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Old 11th Nov 2017, 19:48
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What engines does it have?
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 00:59
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What engines does it have?
Jet engines I believe...
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 03:05
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According to the Singapore Airlines website they have Trent powered A380's.
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 03:25
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Yeap they have Trent's
Also the first off the production line were a fair. It heavier than the latest - the newer ones EK have at 575t burn a bit less according to a friend there.
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
According to the Singapore Airlines website they have Trent powered A380's.
Thanks. Could not locate this info. So not an option to ship one to Goose Bay...
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 14:11
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
More to the point, there is no second hand market for used A380's.
Yet ?
Be lucky
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 14:12
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur View Post
Yet ?
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well there isnt any great market for new 380's either
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 04:25
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Wasn't it Willy Walsh who was commenting that he would be interested in used A380s as new ones were too expensive? Apparently they do work really well on slot restricted airports.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 08:52
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Originally Posted by Simplythebeast View Post
Singapore Airlines have retired Its first A380 (reg. 9V-SKA) and will store it in France next week. ...
Yep, it'll be there this afternoon already.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 14:08
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
More to the point, there is no second hand market for used A380's.
10 years old, 40,000 odd hours so far. The consider these are the problems anyone faces:
Existing structural and mechanical damage, Interior refit, updating the IFE and Avionics plus many life'd items due before 12 years is up, e.g a ship set of landing gears.
Add that lot up and added to the cost of buying it in the first place, I doubt if you will have a viable aircraft going forward.

And that's all before factoring in the increasing price of oil !!

Even breaking it maybe not cost effective.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 19:00
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Originally Posted by falcon12 View Post
10 years old, 40,000 odd hours so far. The consider these are the problems anyone faces:
Existing structural and mechanical damage, Interior refit, updating the IFE and Avionics plus many life'd items due before 12 years is up, e.g a ship set of landing gears.
Add that lot up and added to the cost of buying it in the first place, I doubt if you will have a viable aircraft going forward.

And that's all before factoring in the increasing price of oil !!

Even breaking it maybe not cost effective.
That doesn't say much for the overall design of the A380 when you look at all the other long range aircraft out there that are still going strong at 25 years/100,000 hours.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 19:34
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10 years old, 40,000 odd hours so far. The consider these are the problems anyone faces:
Just to be clear are you talking about problems relevant to this specific airframe or making a general point?

I'd second tdracer's comment about long haul airframe longevity.
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 08:01
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Seems the first 2 have found new homes with Fly Hi
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 09:16
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Seems the first 2 have found new homes with Fly Hi
Or Hi Fly, even.

One is due to enter service next month (which remains to be seen) and the other in February.
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 10:42
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It seems a shame to see such an amazing aircraft retire. Surely it could be converted into a freighter? Just think how much more cargo she could take compared to a MD11 / 747. Perhaps even a military version? How many more troops she could accomodate compared to an A330 or 767.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Or Hi Fly, even.

One is due to enter service next month (which remains to be seen) and the other in February.
Thanks for the correction
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 15:19
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Originally Posted by LAS1997 View Post
It seems a shame to see such an amazing aircraft retire. Surely it could be converted into a freighter? Just think how much more cargo she could take compared to a MD11 / 747. Perhaps even a military version? How many more troops she could accomodate compared to an A330 or 767.
From what I understand its isnt any use as a freighter either as the upper deck isn't strong enough for freight. I seem to remember that some parcel carrier looked at it (FedEx or UPS) and it would be OK for the light but high-volume loads they carry but even they decided it was uneconomical in the end.

Truly a white elephant..
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 20:17
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Originally Posted by LAS1997 View Post
It seems a shame to see such an amazing aircraft retire. Surely it could be converted into a freighter? Just think how much more cargo she could take compared to a MD11 / 747. Perhaps even a military version? How many more troops she could accomodate compared to an A330 or 767.

It simply does not pencil out well as a purely cargo aircraft, plus getting cargo on/off the upper deck would be a problem without a huge investment in GSE.
The one way it might work would be as a combi style aircraft - cargo on the main deck and SLF up stairs. Problem is, after a few cargo-fire related crashes the regulations for a combi have become so restrictive I doubt we'll ever see a new combi-style aircraft certified.
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 23:29
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Seems BA may be looking at the Singapore 380s as well
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