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Wingtip lost from Thomas Cook A332 en route to Cuba

Old 27th Jun 2017, 21:02
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I think the fix would take a day or two and even then it might have to fly around with it unpainted for a while. And that assumes the parts are in stock and there is space in the metal workshop to do the repair. So as an operator you have to decide, do I want it fixed ASAP which might mean a very expensive wet hire or do I accept it doesn't look good and the associated performance (potential £££'s) penalties. With an operator like TC at no time were any short cuts or illegal sign offs knowingly made.

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Old 27th Jun 2017, 23:13
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Did some checking around, and, yup, just about everything can fly without a winglet.

Fuel and takeoff weight penalties.

I get a real kick out of news articles based on "the horror of _X_ flight operated in such an unsafe manner!"

Talk to an otherwise smart friend about a jetliner, and you'll get amazing answers.

One of my buddies thinks they have five wings -- the big ones, the two little ones, and the one that sticks straight up.
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Old 27th Jun 2017, 23:44
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Glitch on Thomas Cook flight to Cuba leaves airline with £500k bill | The Independent

Flight MT2652 took off from Manchester with 332 passengers on board on Monday afternoon, the destination Holguin in eastern Cuba. But as it was flying over the Atlantic about 200 miles west of the Irish coast, the pilots decided to return to the Thomas Cook base in Manchester because of an oil pressure issue with the left-hand engine.

Unusually, the plane was missing a wingtip on the left-hand wing, which caused some mistaken concern that part of the wing had fallen off. One newspaper headline read: “Jet returns to UK for emergency landing with a broken wing.”

In fact, engineers had previously removed the wingtip - which is not an essential component, but an aid to fuel efficiency - for repair.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 06:17
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
No it doesn't. It proves that the aircraft is in the middle of a busy summer schedule and is being utilised to the maximum. There is no limitation that I can find for the length of time that the winglet can be missing. Why take it out of service when you can very safely and legally operate under the DDG until the next scheduled hangar input?

What is called into question is the fact that several newspapers can slander a legitimate business and get away with it. If I was Thomas Cook I would be seeking compensation from the Scum, Fail and every other Tom Dick and Mary that has tweeted or facebooked this all over the world!
Do you mean to say the Daily Heil is an unreliable fear mongering source of unchecked half truths designed to mislead??
I just hope it hasn't affected house prices in the area.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 08:01
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Originally Posted by cwatters View Post
In fact, engineers had previously removed the wingtip - which is not an essential component, but an aid to fuel efficiency - for repair.
I wonder which page of the Maintenance Manual explains the use of the hangar door technique.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 14:30
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Dave, I suspect it was half hanging off and the engineers gave it a good hard yank before taping off the jagged hole. Sounds as if the taping could have been done a little more, er... professionally each time?
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 16:22
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767 View Post
There is nothing wrong with flying the A330 wingtip to get the aircraft through its rotation and to a maintenance base. Flying the aircraft for a month that way calls into question the airlines maintenance practices.
Have a word with Airbus and ask them to review the CDL , Perhaps giving it a one flight only dispensation
You clearly know better than they do .

While your at it let Tommy Cook know there gash as well
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 16:45
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
No it doesn't. It proves that the aircraft is in the middle of a busy summer schedule and is being utilised to the maximum. There is no limitation that I can find for the length of time that the winglet can be missing. Why take it out of service when you can very safely and legally operate under the DDG until the next scheduled hangar input?
As a general principle, yes.

But I would seriously question the judgment of an operator who thinks that speedtape was an acceptable short-term repair in this instance.

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Old 28th Jun 2017, 18:02
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
No it doesn't. It proves that the aircraft is in the middle of a busy summer schedule and is being utilised to the maximum. There is no limitation that I can find for the length of time that the winglet can be missing. Why take it out of service when you can very safely and legally operate under the DDG until the next scheduled hangar input?
Interesting, our CDL has a 10 day limit on a winglet being missing!

But then we do put tighter restrictions on ours, most likely because of the excessive fuel penalty in this instance.

Another airline we used to handle don't have any time limits in their CDL, which I always found a little strange!
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 18:35
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Did the a/c fly with one tip missing or both?
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 19:11
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
Did the a/c fly with one tip missing or both?
See post #12.
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David...... Thank you, should have looked !!!!
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If memory serves, it has been 9 years, in the merged company it was a 10 day limit for one to be removed, only one permitted.
I know of at least one occasion when the winglet was damaged BER and then there was quite a wait for a new one. We operated on an extension until the spare became available.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 09:25
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To add to TURIN's point, a WOW Air (Air Europa) A330-343 EC-MIN (now TF-GAY) flew for much of S16 without a winglet.
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ISTR we could ADD one winglet but not both. Never understood that.
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I, like millions of others like and read the Daily Mail. Why do you post such a load of lefty bull£hit?
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