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[DjerbaDevil]

Jet2 Removes Tunisia S2016

Considering the common border with Lybia and the ongoing crisis there, it was surprising to see JET2, or any other British Tour Operator, programming flights and holidays to Tunisia for 2015. It would have been prudent of the Tunisian Governement to have provided armed security on the beaches particularly after the terrorist attack at the Tunis museum. However being on holiday and sunbathing on the beach while surrounded by armed and uniformed security forces would be anything but reassuring. There again and considering other scenarios, it is easy to imagine an armed security member turning terrorist due to his concealed extremist convictions.

You say JET2 has cancelled all flights to Tunisia but the following flight is scheduled for departure from Manchester to NBE tomorrow morning, which is to be spotted on the Flightradar24 website both at the Manchester airport departures and the Enfidha airport arrivals. Any idea why? Tom and TCX still have flights to NBE, so maybe JET2 are assisting in repatriating other agencies' travellers?

06:45 LS939 Enfidha (NBE) Jet2 738 Scheduled

and another flight from Glasgow:
07:20 LS163 Enfidha (NBE) Jet2 738 Scheduled

[IB4138]

The tour operators have to bring their resort staff back to the UK.

I think you will find the UK outbounds have no passengers.

[Jet2_738]

You say JET2 has cancelled all flights to Tunisia but the following flight is scheduled for departure from Manchester to NBE tomorrow morning, which is to be spotted on the Flightradar24 website both at the Manchester airport departures and the Enfidha airport arrivals. Any idea why?

It must have been a miscommunication, either that, or the airports hadn't updated their departures last night (they have now), as both the LS939 and LS163 didn't depart this morning.

It is a shame to be losing Tunisia, especially with it being such a young Jet2holidays destination. But as you say, the common border with Lybia, and the fact that the FCO have advised against all/all but essential travel to Tunisia until further notice, makes it a vulnerable, and unstable destination in terms of LS H bookings

[DjerbaDevil]

It must have been a miscommunication, either that, or the airports hadn't updated their departures last night (they have now), as both the LS939 and LS163 didn't depart this morning.

Spot on, as the NBE airport arrivals’ board showed LS939 as cancelled and the LS163 as “scheduled” in italics, which must mean “we’ve given up on this one”. By the way TOM seem to have pulled out and their flights cancelled but there were a number of TCX flights arriving as well as MON flights at NBE this morning. Presumeably coming in empty to repatriate the last of their passengers but seemingly a bit late.

It is a shame to be losing Tunisia

Things are not looking too hopeful for Sharm el Sheikh with the Egyptian army facing strong resistance from terrorist groups in the Sinai Peninsula but JET2 doesn’t have to worry about that one.

The tour operators have to bring their resort staff back to the UK

The ratio of resort staff to passengers/holidaymakers calculated by tour operators used to be at approximately 200 passengers to 1 resort member of staff. The idea that JET2 had sent two B738s to pick up their resort staff in Tunisia with a combined capacity of 378 seats, would have meant that JET2 would have had 75,600 holiday makers approximately in Tunisia if you multiply the possible 378 repatriated resort staff by the average of 200 passengers/holidaymakers to be cared for by each resort staff member.

Anyway thanks for the possible explanation for the two flights that never were.....

[IB4138]

DjerbaDevil

You really are a blinkered Jet2 circus performer!

My explanation was for all UK tour operators. Thomson and Thomas Cook had said the bringing home of staff as well as any clients still in resort was the purpose of this weekends flights.It was right to assume that Jet2 would do the same. easyJet have operated their last flights to Monastir from the UK as empty legs this weekend, just pax on the UK bound legs.

A poor attempt at ridicule was nor required, but should have been expected from you. I don't need you to thank me for putting you straight again.
I really don't need any connection with people of your calibre in my life at the moment. I will not make the mistake and offer any assistance to you again.

A sarcastic reply is NOT required. Keep your fingers OFF the keyboard.

[DjerbaDevil]

IB4138

My apologies to you, as I meant no sarcasm and my thanks for your response were and are sincere. In any case I did not appreciate you meant to include all the TO's flights and my comments on resort staff numbers was purely an excercise to work out the possible number of passengers/holidaymakers and in no way an attempt to try to ridicule your help.
I hope you can consider the matter closed and that no offence was intended.

[David Sharpe]

Does anybody have any details of extra flights being operated by Jet 2 to replace the cancelled Enfidha services ?


I think there were only 6 or 7 flights per week in total, I noticed last week that they were operating an additional Sunday service from Manchester to Palma (making it 4 x daily) but was not aware of any others ?

[crewmeal]

Things are not looking too hopeful for Sharm el Sheikh with the Egyptian army facing strong resistance from terrorist groups in the Sinai Peninsula but JET2 doesn’t have to worry about that one.

DjerbaDevil you really are full of doom and gloom. Do you have inside info from the FCO stating it might be dangerous to travel to that region in Egypt? Next you'll be cancelling Turkish flights and holidays because of the atrocity in Suruc.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by crewmeal

DjerbaDevil you really are full of doom and gloom. Do you have inside info from the FCO stating it might be dangerous to travel to that region in Egypt? Next you'll be cancelling Turkish flights and holidays because of the atrocity in Suruc.

The UK FCO (in line with the UK populace in general) are so risk averse these days, that if we're not careful we could well wind up with an ever growing list of "no-go" destinations.

Most European governments see no issues with travelling to Tunisia at present; surely it's better to allow grown ups to make their own grown up decisions, having been given the facts rather than a nanny state making decisions on their behalf?

[DjerbaDevil]

Do you have inside info from the FCO stating it might be dangerous to travel to that region in Egypt? Next you'll be cancelling Turkish flights and holidays because of the atrocity in Suruc.

No, I don’t have any inside information as you would well know. That doesn’t mean that fighting between government forces and terrorist groups are not taking place in the Sinai Peninsula and that the Egyptian forces are struggling to hold back a growing ISIS linked insurgency there. The reports would suggest that only the northern part of the peninsula is affected at the moment and hopefully sufficient reinforcements will be brought to the area to give the government forces the upper hand and resolve the issue well away from the sensitive southern part. The Suruc atrocity is a one off terrorist action from an individual and not ongoing fighting between government forces and terrorist groups in the area. There is a difference in my view.

Most European governments see no issues with travelling to Tunisia at present; surely it's better to allow grown ups to make their own grown up decisions, having been given the facts rather than a nanny state making decisions on their behalf?

The FCO advise against all but essential travel to Tunisia and to a number of areas of the country, they advise against all travel. However, there are flights to Tunis by Tunis Air from London and most European capitals, so that grown ups can make their own grown up decisions and make their own holiday arrangements In Tunisia. No one is saying that it is forbidden to go there, only that it is not recommended.
Tour Operators are responsible for their passengers to an extent that prohibits them to organise holidays to any area/resort or even hotel that may be considered unsafe. Consider for example the tragic death of two children at a hotel in Corfu in 2006 due to monoxide poisoning from a faulty boiler in their room and the extent to which Thomas Cook have been given very bad publicity to this very day over the tragedy. There is no way a British Tour Operator would ever consider flying holiday makers to any area where there is a warning of a risk of possible terrorist actions.

Most European governments see no issues with travelling to Tunisia at present

Could be but there doesn’t seem to be any of the European Tour Operator charter flights operating into Tunisia anymore.....

[Jet2_738]

Seen a few 737-300's in and out of GLA recently, which is rather strange given that they're normally an exclusive 738 base. G-GDFM is en route up there now, inbound from ALC on the LS178. Anyone any ideas as to why a 733 has been drafted in?

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

I believe that it has to do with the dates of the "big" summer holidays, the Scottish summer holidays finish soon, if not already, whereas the English summer holidays are still ongoing. Therefore more £ can be made by relocating an 800 to an English base, and running a 300 through GLA on routes where yields are less.

Just my opinion, but must have some merit.

[DjerbaDevil]

The change of fleet for GLA would appear to have taken place on 19 July. GLA fleet now stands as 4 x B738; 1 x B733 and the leased A320 for summer 2015.

GLA – MJV isn’t programmed for 2016. MJV has also been dropped from BFS for 2016. Passenger numbers during 2015 must have been disappointing perhaps.

[Jet2_738]

NEW FLEET ANNOUNCEMENT

YES, AND IT'S OFFICIAL! In an annual general meeting today, Phillip Meeson, on behalf of Jet2.com, announces entry into a direct agreement with Boeing for:

.........27 BRAND NEW 737-800NG's

The list price of the massive order stacks up to a staggering $2.6 billion (about £1.7bn), though Jet2 have negotiated 'significant discounts' from the list price. The new aircraft will all feature the new Boeing Sky Interior, and are expected to be delivered between September 2016, and April 2018.

This eradicates any rumours of a looming Airbus order that many have heard rumoured:

Todd Nelp, ​v​ice ​p​resident of European Sales Boeing Commercial Airplanes​ said, “​We are very proud that Jet2.com has again selected Boeing to meet its continuing fleet requirements.’’

This is a massive move for the airline, having never bought into the new aircraft market before. The aircraft are to serve 'fleet replacements', which was of course inevitable, given that some of the 737-300's are nearing 30 year old.

The current G-CEL* fleet consists of 19 aircraft with seating capacity of 148. Simple Calculations would show that;

OLD 19 aircraft x 148Y seats = 2812 seats
NEW 27 aircraft x 189Y seats = 5103 seats

Which equals an increase of +2291 seats.

So the new aircraft would serve as not only fleet replacement, but fleet renewal, and additional capacity. Some of the younger G-CEL*, I would expect to join G-CELW as 737-300SF, or freight only, in order to keep the royal mail contract going. The aircraft are said to be funded by 'internal resources and debt'.

See the articles here:
Annual General Meeting Statement 2015 | Jet2.com
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...7-800s-416346/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-34140835
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/busin...deal-1-7441505
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articl...aft+order.html
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.u...27_new_planes/

[Jet2_738]

Jet2 bans 14 passengers FOR LIFE after their 'aggressive and verbally abusive' behaviour on flight from Glasgow to Tenerife forced plane to divert to Portugal | Daily Mail Online

Another crackdown on the 'Onboard Together' scheme saw Friday's LS155, G-JZHB divert into Faro from the Atlantic coast. A group of 14 men in total were offloaded from the flight, after being 'very aggressive and verbally abusive' to the cabin crew as well as to other passengers on board the flight. Due to this, and an earlier delay, the flight arrived in TFS 3 hours late, and on its return to GLA, 2.5 hours behind schedule. The 14 men have been given lifetime bans, and I would expect Jet2 to bill them, similar to what they've done recently:

Disruptive Passenger Billed £2.7k for Flight Delay Costs | Jet2.com

[Jet2_738]

The Unique Boeing 737-700C Gets Some Love - AirlineReporter : AirlineReporter

Just reading a report on the 'unique 737-700C'. Upon reading the first few lines, it says that;

What makes it unique is its ability to convert from passengers to cargo depending on how the airline wants to use it. If you have heavy passenger flow during the summer, but more cargo during the winter, being able to convert between the two is quite helpful.

Heavy Passenger Flow during summer, More Cargo during the Winter. Sound Familiar? It comes as a surprise that Jet2 haven't yet made a move on obtaining aircraft for the Royal Mail runs overnight.

They currently run a mixed Boeing Fleet of 737-300, 737-800, and 757-200;

737-800: 27 New aircraft coming in the next few years.
757-200: Not set to go anywhere yet, but no move made as yet to replace them
737-300: Most reaching retirement age, replacement on the 737-800.

At the moment, Jet2 optimise the smaller 737-300 on thinner routes, meaning they can concentrate the larger aircraft for thicker routes. Maybe an order for 2-4 737-700C's and possibly 5-15 737-700s in the future???

[mockingjay]

Sweating it out

Just wondering what the policy of Jet2 is. Last night I witnessed (from the aircraft next door) a 757 that almost every passenger row had someone who was fanning themselves due to the cabin temperatures for a good 15 minutes. There was no cross bleed start when they did get going (so the APU was operative) so what gives? Could it be they be letting their passengers sweat it out on the ground during boarding to save a few pennies on APU use? Meanwhile we were nice and cool throughout boarding on our A320 LCC flight. I'm all for saving a few pennies however there must have been families with young children and he elderly and resorting to fanning themselves with safety cards and magazines to very much penny wise pounds foolish.

[Chesty Morgan]

300 or 800?

[4Screwaircrew]

Chesty, a 200 the 757 was mentioned.

[JB007]

Do keep up at the back Spandex!