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Post-apocalyptic takeoff. How to fly from an abandoned airport?

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Old 13th Nov 2014, 09:03
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Assuming you get something started up how are you going to Navigate over 10,000 Km of open Ocean-that's the hard bit
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 09:25
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As long as You have a couple of IRSs up and running, finding a land mass the size of Australia should surely be possible?
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 10:49
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Finding Australia is one thing, finding somewhere to land is another!
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 10:59
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Given possible EMP problems and other modern electickery, why not go lo-tech with the "vintage" vehicle for starters (pun intended) and then onto vintage aircraft. I rather like the idea of the "power chain" started with a hand-cranked Morris Minor.

Why not go the whole hog with a flying boat out of a museum - no probs finding somewhere to land that - just go for Sydney Harbour!
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 12:54
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Given that every house in the neighbourhood seems to be covered in the damn things, I'd be looking for some photovoltaic cells (solar panels), a length of wire and a good pair of wire cutters plus a few decent sized batteries.... must be possible to reconfigure the panels and charge the batteries up this way?
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 14:02
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But you can't just land on Australia can you, you need the 2 miles of concrete or hard compacted 'bush' if you want to walk away. Would the IRS platforms work after weeks of being powered down and dont you need to know where you are starting from in precise terms too?
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 14:43
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If you can find the east coast of Australia, Coolangatta and Sydney airports are readily identifiable and Tulla wouldn't be terribly hard to work out.
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 14:44
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you need the 2 miles of concrete or hard compacted 'bush' if you want to walk away.
Only if you want to use the aircraft again. As a couple of 777s have demonstrated, all you need is a reasonably flat surface. You'll even stop in a much shorter distance than if landing on a runway. it might be a bit of a rough arrival but it's quite survivable.

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Old 13th Nov 2014, 21:01
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SINCE it is a work of fiction, you can invent an airliner with just enough range and have it have starters like the old canberra bomber.
No, I hate this approach and such books. No "who cares?" and no "deus ex machina". Everything should be as realistic as possible. The characters may be lucky at some points, but their luck should not be impossible or unbelievable.
Museum and too exotic a/c will not work, as, first, the characters cannot travel too far to find them (so called zombies ARE a problem), and second, I guess a museum plane need something more than just fueling to get ready to fly.

As for navigation, Charles Lindbergh did this Moreover, GPS should still work - nothing happened with the sats.

I don't think spare batteries will work after several months. At least my car battery (1 year old) needs recharging after several weeks even being disconnected from the car.

If B777's APU can be air-started, I think that's all we need. However, we still have to refuel it (it has some fuel to start, but not to fly to Australia). How to use it as a power source for a truck? I know where to connect the wires to jump start a car by another car, but not by a jet liner
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 11:32
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Tapping electricity from an APU in order to start a truck is a rather hard task and certainly not done with basic tools.

Depending on the APU in question, expect it to provide 400hz/115V three-phase AC into the aircrafts systems. First of all, how will You get it out? Maybe via an one-phase vacuum cleaner outlet in the galley, but this will definitely not bear the load of a car starter without blowing fuses. Otherwise, there typically are no power outlets on an aircraft. And once You have the power lines plugged in and leading out of the aircraft, You will need to have the AC transformed to 28V and rectified so You can feed the power into a car starter.

So I would suggest ditching this approach and going the other way round. First of all get as many trucks or small emergency Diesel generators to run as You like, then, with the batteries refilled, start up a GPU to power up the aircraft. That done, getting the APU to run and using that to start the main engines is easy.

In the course of this, You will easily get a fuel truck to run in order to fuel up the aircraft. If You do not, the long way would be via buckets. Fill a bucket on the "dead" fuel truck, carry it up to the overwing fuelling ports of the aircraft and then dump it into the tanks preferrably via a fuel funnel containing a filter mesh. Again, wash, rinse and repeat as long as needed.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 13:14
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Moreover, GPS should still work - nothing happened with the sats.
Hmmm- the GPS constellation needs constant calibration to maintain its accuracy, so don't be too quick-draw about that. Might even be a plot point- taking off thinking the GPS is good, only to find yourself hundreds of miles off course when you get to Aus....
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Old 15th Nov 2014, 05:34
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First of all get as many trucks or small emergency Diesel generators to run as You like, then, with the batteries refilled,
But how to start the generators and charge the batteries? Using solar panels from the nearest building which have ones? Will they provide enough power?
I think there should be some emergency generators in a big airport, but I am not sure, and I don't think they can be hand-started. A hospital definitely has emergency power, but again, I don't think it can be hand-started...

the GPS constellation needs constant calibration to maintain its accuracy, so don't be too quick-draw about that. Might even be a plot point- taking off thinking the GPS is good, only to find yourself hundreds of miles off course when you get to Aus....
An error that great in just several months? Are you sure? Anyway, we know our position on the ground (the airport) and we can check the GPS accuracy. If we cannot re-adjust it (I don't think we can), we can at least keep the error in mind to correct the course.
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Get horses to pull the fuel trucks
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Old 16th Nov 2014, 14:50
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Problem is, would the pilot start complaining about the excessive duty flying hours without rest periods?
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Old 16th Nov 2014, 16:24
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A properly maintained small generator (5 kW) will start easily after a couple of months. With a stabilizer in the fuel and a half dozen pulls on its cord, mine started after siting for a year in storage. From there its trickle chargers or maybe even a rapid charger to get cars and trucks running.

EMP won't be a problem for electronics that is powered down when the pulse strikes. Its not the EMP energy itself that breaks down solid state devices, its the normal power source that does the damage after the pulse field exceeds the insulation withstand voltage of solid state junctions. That said, many engine controllers are continuously powered even when the vehicle is turned off to maintain processor state information. Things like cockpit clocks are also hot off the battery and may have to be changed.
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