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Old 1st April 2013 | 18:24
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Didnt the Spanair MD83 attempt take off without flaps @ Madrid due to a CB being [pulled
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Old 2nd April 2013 | 08:54
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Originally Posted by Mr A
due to a CB being pulled
- to be more accurate, because they forgot to extend the flaps! They did not, of course, receive the warning KLOS is talking about due to maintenance action which I believe did involve a CB
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Old 2nd April 2013 | 10:38
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All muticrew aircraft already have a pilot suicide inhibitor system fitted.
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Old 2nd April 2013 | 12:02
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Tell that to the relatives of the late Egyptair Captain. Try readiing the whole thread before diviing in.
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Old 2nd April 2013 | 12:12
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I did. It does require 2 well trained and effective crew members to function correctly.
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Old 2nd April 2013 | 12:26
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What did you tell the relatives- that you have written a book challengiing the conclusions of the official Inquiry because all multi- crewed aircraft have a built in suicide inhibitor?

My original question was directed at pro pilots and engineers who have kindly replied without silly emoticons
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Old 2nd April 2013 | 12:42
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A 2nd well trained and effective pilot will inhibit the other one from killing him/her.

As a pro pilot, i will not allow my opposite number to kill me. I rely on my professional colleagues to return the favour.

Your question has already been answered. The fact that you do not like, or cannot understand the answer, won't change that.

Any "system" that prevents a pilot from carrying out an action that they consider required, even if it is "non standard" is dangerous.

As an example. Aircraft A is lined up for departure (flapless). Aircraft B, on approach, has an emergency and cannot go around. Pilot A advances the power in order to vacate the runway for aircraft B. Aircraft A's "pilot suicide prevention system" puts on the brakes preventing aircraft A from leaving the runway.

The ensuing carnage provides subject for your favourite TV crash series.

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Old 2nd April 2013 | 13:18
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Au contraire, I understood and was satsfied with the reply from SSR ( 38 year career pilot) and indeed with the Air law poster from Hamburg.

No pilot can guarantee that his colleague will not blagg him and commit suicide but this was NEVER the substantive issue of my post.

Try re-reading my reply to WTS

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note also the recent Jet Blue incident and only for the f/O locking the cock pit door and the pilot out- could have gone either way and who knows.
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Old 2nd April 2013 | 16:21
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So we are agreed that an "auto stop" is a bad idea, both for flapless take offs, and pilot suicides
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Old 2nd April 2013 | 16:55
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Capt PP,

Be assured that I frequent these pages, I hope with some humility, to learn from Pros about a subject that has always fascinated me not to pick fights so no hard feeling from me.

Keep well and fly safe- best wishes
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