Wikiposts
Search
Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter. You won't be moved on by 'security' and there'll be plenty of experts to answer any questions.

Runway Headings

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 25th Jul 2012, 13:28
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Runway Headings

I expect that time has gone quicker than I thought but it does not seem that long ago that Heathrow changed and more recently Stansted. Given that both Gatwick & Luton are not that far away I assume they will also change?
Ifield Lad is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2012, 13:36
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: LHR
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I haven't been flying long enough to know what they were before but Gatwick is currently 259/079 (26/08) so will need another 5 degrees to get to 254 before it's changed to 25/07. That'll take quite a while methinks.
HPbleed is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2012, 14:45
  #3 (permalink)  
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 18,579
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Wait until the North and South Poles flip...............................
BOAC is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2012, 14:51
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Turkey
Age: 46
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Runway Headings

Or the sun rises from west
viperburns is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2012, 14:58
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: There and here
Posts: 2,867
Received 27 Likes on 19 Posts
Wait until the North and South Poles flip..............................
Then LHR won't be on people's minds anymore! Let's hope that it will be a few hundred years (or better 1,000's) in the future. By all evidence it appears to swap over in a relatively short while


SHJ
SpringHeeledJack is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2012, 18:28
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 15,826
Received 206 Likes on 94 Posts
Given that both Gatwick & Luton are not that far away I assume they will also change?
Their proximity to each other only tells you that their runway magnetic headings will change at roughly the same rate.

It doesn't mean that their designations will change at the same time - that would only be the case if their true headings differed by a multiple of 10° (which they don't).
DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2012, 19:43
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: engineer at large
Posts: 1,409
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
when are we going to abandon the magvar?
FlightPathOBN is offline  
Old 26th Jul 2012, 06:59
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: London
Age: 58
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
In the 21st century is there any need to rely on a bit of magic metal?
PhineasC is offline  
Old 26th Jul 2012, 23:03
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: engineer at large
Posts: 1,409
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
exactly...look at all of the modern technology, that must have a variable magvar built into it.

What really cracks me up is when they rename the runways, and all of the associated charts, equipment, and infrastructure changes.

As a point of reference, that is how they determined seafloor spreading, the magnetic orientations in the rock across the Atlantic, when the poles flip, and according to records, it wobbles for a very short time then flips.

The Sun drives the forces, and just as magnets repel or attract, the Sun and the Earth mag poles do the same.

The Suns mag pole flipped in 2001, and the Earths and been wobbling quite a bit, so scientists look for the mag poles to flip very soon...

and no, the Sun will not rise in the West, the Earth doesnt flip, just the magnetic polarity....

Nasa simulation..


I would hope that you are not using a compass to navigate...

Last edited by FlightPathOBN; 26th Jul 2012 at 23:13.
FlightPathOBN is offline  
Old 27th Jul 2012, 07:00
  #10 (permalink)  
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 18,579
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
and no, the Sun will not rise in the West, the Earth doesn't flip, just the magnetic polarity
- this has also been 'investigated' on PPRune before. What do you call the 'North' pole when the poles flip? Where is 'West' when you are facing 'North'.

This thread has legs. Let's hope it doesn't 'go west'...............
BOAC is offline  
Old 27th Jul 2012, 08:17
  #11 (permalink)  
Gnome de PPRuNe
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Too close to Croydon for comfort
Age: 60
Posts: 12,658
Received 318 Likes on 176 Posts
Whilst I can see its attractions, I expect the thread will have gone south well before Easter...
treadigraph is online now  
Old 27th Jul 2012, 08:29
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Bedford, UK
Age: 70
Posts: 1,319
Received 24 Likes on 13 Posts
The 'north seeking pole' will then point south but the interlude with zero field as it flips may be a bit tricky in terms of species survival...Even worse, may have to reorientate tv aerial .
Mr Optimistic is offline  
Old 27th Jul 2012, 09:00
  #13 (permalink)  
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 18,579
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Even worse, may have to reorientate tv aerial
- only if you watch regional TV........................

Homing pigeons just won't, will they?
BOAC is offline  
Old 27th Jul 2012, 10:08
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 15,826
Received 206 Likes on 94 Posts
Great quote on the NASA website:

"While the conditions that cause polarity reversals are not entirely predictable – the north pole's movement could subtly change direction, for instance – there is nothing in the millions of years of geologic record to suggest that any of the 2012 doomsday scenarios connected to a pole reversal should be taken seriously.

A reversal might, however, be good business for magnetic compass manufacturers."
DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 27th Jul 2012, 16:16
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London
Posts: 7,072
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
the problem comes in the flip-over period - it isn't thought to be truly instantaneous - may be tens or even a couple of hundred years of very low wandering" magnetic fields
Heathrow Harry is offline  
Old 27th Jul 2012, 18:00
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Surrey
Age: 43
Posts: 900
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The actual runway heading at LGW is 259 and 079 respectively. So its a while away from having to change!
Blinkz is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.