Go Arounds

[Smithm]

Yesterday I was on an easyJet flight from Nice which landed at Luton Airport, weather was good although we did appear to be coming in a bit fast. Appeared to be making a normal landing and I originally thought that we had made the softest landing ever as we seemed to be going along the runway but felt no impact. Then thud! We hit hard but immediately the engines throttled up and off we went again. Flight attendants looked a bit alarmed and some people around me were panicking and a few crying. I was a bit perturbed myself!! The Capt then came on to say that there were birds on the runway???!!!

If a flight crew makes this decision - especially after touchdown - are ATC aware and do they have to report this?

Just interested as it was a bit scary!

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

<<If a flight crew makes this decision - especially after touchdown - are ATC aware and do they have to report this?>>

ATC will become aware for two reasons. A) they will be watching the aircraft out of the window and b) the pilot would advise them by radio of what was happening. ATC would then issue appropriate instructions for another approach.

[reportyourlevel]

If a flight crew makes this decision - especially after touchdown

The decision may have been made before touuchdown - in a "late" go-around you may still touch the runway.

[Skipness One Echo]

If a flight crew makes this decision - especially after touchdown - are ATC aware and do they have to report this?

Seems odd that no explanation would have been offered to reassure people, even later taxi-ing in when things are quieter up front.

[twinjetter]

Apparently it was indeed birds.

See link below (I make no claim for it's validity)

Birds delay Luton Airport flights : Luton Airport News Stories

[NigelOnDraft]

Seems odd that no explanation would have been offered to reassure people,

The Capt then came on to say that there were birds on the runway???!!!

I would doubt a GA would be called around touchdown for birds - the hazards of flying through them outweigh to me any possible hazard of encoutering them on the rollout. That said, an extended float is a good reason to GA for, and birds are easy to blame

Most types you can call and execute a GA up to selection of Reverse. Any GA is high worload for the crew and ATC. Whilst a PA is a bonus, it takes 1 pilot out of the loop, and therefore will be somewhat delayed. I doubt there is much we can do for the sort of pax that choose to burst into tears, but I reckon I do 1 or 2 GAs a year? Hardly rare...

NoD

[Smithm]

Sorry to be untechy Nigel but what is an extended float?

[Tarq57]

A "float" is when the aircraft is flared for landing, but either due to excess airspeed, too great a nose-up input, or a wind gust (effectively a positive shear) the aircraft floats above the runway instead of touching down.
This can eat up runway at a prodigious rate.

[NigelOnDraft]

Sorry to be untechy Nigel but what is an extended float?

An overzealous attempt to impress the SLF that, in extemis, ends in the grass off the end (see above post for better explanation)

NoD

[Smithm]

Thanks both for the explanation. That certainly seemed to my untrained eye what happened, as we did appear to float along the runway for some time. As I said in my original post I even had the time to say to my husband that it was the softest landing I had ever had!

I appreciate that we all make mistakes and that these things happen but I for one would prefer a genuine explanation. That would be far more reassuring than some half arsed excuse.

[flydive1]

I appreciate that we all make mistakes and that these things happen but I for one would prefer a genuine explanation. That would be far more reassuring than some half arsed excuse.

I doubt that a "Sorry folks, we made a mistake, came in too fast and almost run out of runway, but we will be trying again shortly" would be more reassuring.

And again, if he would have used the "extended float" explanation you would not have understood.

And again, the birds excuse might even have been true.

[EZYA319]

Well did the cabin crew not make a PA to reassure passengers? I work for the said airline and its a standard operating procedure that if we have a go around then we make a PA informing passengers that it is a completely normal procedure and that the captain will give more details soon.

[roving]

go around in Moscow

Several years ago I was flying into Moscow Domodedovo with a British airline. Because of fog the runway had very limited visibility. As we were just above the runway, at the point where there is that sinking feeling as the wheels feel for tarmac, full power was applied to the engines and the aircraft went around. The flight deck apologised and advised that Moscow had asked for a go around. As we approached the runway for a second time the fog had disappeared. How smart I thought for the Moscow controllers to appreciate that the fog would clear so quickly and so enable a safer landing.

A couple of years later I mentioned it to my late father, a retired military jet pilot.

One can disperse fog quite effectively with the engines on full power just above the runway, he replied with a smile.

[Smithm]

As we were coming in for the second approach after the go around the Capt made a brief announcement that he had made the decision to go around as there were birds and that in the light of that mornings incident with the Monarch plane it was the best thing to do. After landing nothing else was said.

[EZYA319]

But did the cabin crew not make an initial PA after the go-around?? I wouldn't have mentioned it in my after landing PA to be honest as although unnerving its a completely normal procedure!

[Skipness One Echo]

Well did the cabin crew not make a PA to reassure passengers? I work for the said airline and its a standard operating procedure that if we have a go around then we make a PA informing passengers that it is a completely normal procedure and that the captain will give more details soon.

I got one of those announcements going into Gatters with EZY on a dark winter eveing when the one ahead was apprently slow on the roll so we were sent around. Now I see missed approaches quite often when I'm out at Gatwick so I know they're pretty common so am not worried at all when the power comes back on. Indeed it's a little thrill for me. However at this point the Head Cabin Crew comes on the PA and says all the right words as per the script but the tone suggested she had made her peace with God and was busy rattling out some rosaries. I was fine until the PA was made when for a moment I wondered if I really ought to be worried!!

We were turning final again after a brief jolly round the South Coast when we got the explanation from the flight deck. Do British pilots train to at least sound so unflappable? It's a gift....

[Doors to Automatic]

If you type 'Monarch go around Luton' into You Tube there is a good video of a similar landing. The aircraft floats just above the ground before touching down and then powering away again.

[reportyourlevel]

If you type 'Monarch go around Luton' into You Tube there is a good video of a similar landing. The aircraft floats just above the ground before touching down and then powering away again.

Here it is

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

<<Do British pilots train to at least sound so unflappable? It's a gift.... >>

But a go-around isn't something to get flappable about.

[Smithm]

Thank you all for your comments and explanations. I do understand the situation much better now and realise that it was a common procedure.

Just a final word, it would be great if flight crew could appreciate that what is a common, no big deal, procedure for them may not be for their pax and that to take a minute or two afterwards to explain this would be reassuring and courteous.