Grounded damaged A380's
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Grounded damaged A380's
So what happens to the Qantas A380 at Changi and now the AF A380 at NY ?
Can they be repaired where they are, and if not, how do they get moved to an "approved repair facility"?
How easy is it to repair the high-tech wings as it's obviously not as simple as re-rivetting aluminum panels?
Is the Qantas plane still at Changi, come to think of it.
Can they be repaired where they are, and if not, how do they get moved to an "approved repair facility"?
How easy is it to repair the high-tech wings as it's obviously not as simple as re-rivetting aluminum panels?
Is the Qantas plane still at Changi, come to think of it.
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A380 in NY? is this a NEW incident then?
I've read the other thread but that's not for non-pilots to comment on, plus I cannot see anything about repair practices/procedures in it.
I'm curious to know what happens to "injured" planes especially when composite materials are involved
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I've read the other thread but that's not for non-pilots to comment on
Its a shame though, would be good if it was just posts that were thought out and informative but most of it is utter
. Happens with every incident, get all the armchair investigators spouting rubbish. Makes it not worth reading.The problem with the QF in Singapore I believe is due to damage to the wing spar. Means a wing needs replacing and maybe not designed to have that procedure done as if a wing needs replacing its usually a destroyed aircraft and not something they would consider making an easy job to do when designing the 380.
The AF one just damaged the wingtip, if it was just the winglet that got damaged you can normally remove it and put speed tape over the tip and fly it back to home base. Yeap, fancy duct tape and its good to go. Will have a % fuel additive for the trip, something along the lines of 3% extra fuel.
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Some are even suggesting that aircraft not on the gate inform ATC that they are "not on the gate yet"
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Airmanship is looking out your window or checking your camera if a plane looks like it may be close, it is not cluttering up an already very busy frequency with calls that are not required, would every plane also call "XXX is now on stand"? In all my years of flying to many international busy airports I have never heard anyone call "xxxxx not yet on stand". There must be loads of bad pilots out there.
Obviously if you were requested to call on stand that is what you would do, you would not however call "not yet on stand" as that is not what you were asked to do.
I have however heard on numerous occasions a taxying aircraft query the position of a stationary one or one in motion. That is the way it has been done and works well. There have been some incidents of other aircraft hitting other aircraft or objects whilst taxying, it is down to not keeping a good lookout which is what happened in this case. Its an A380 so there is a lot of interest in it and people who think they have good ideas posting rubbish in forums.
Lets wait for the NTSB who are professionals at doing this to come out with the shortfalls that caused this and recommendations to help prevent it in the future. I am sure there will be no fault found with the plane that got hits crew. I am 100% sure that they will not recommend every plane that is slightly delayed getting onto stand to call "not yet on stand"
Obviously if you were requested to call on stand that is what you would do, you would not however call "not yet on stand" as that is not what you were asked to do.
I have however heard on numerous occasions a taxying aircraft query the position of a stationary one or one in motion. That is the way it has been done and works well. There have been some incidents of other aircraft hitting other aircraft or objects whilst taxying, it is down to not keeping a good lookout which is what happened in this case. Its an A380 so there is a lot of interest in it and people who think they have good ideas posting rubbish in forums.
Lets wait for the NTSB who are professionals at doing this to come out with the shortfalls that caused this and recommendations to help prevent it in the future. I am sure there will be no fault found with the plane that got hits crew. I am 100% sure that they will not recommend every plane that is slightly delayed getting onto stand to call "not yet on stand"
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If you are cleared to a gate and are obliged to hold short in such a position that you may be an obstruction
In all my years of flying
I am 100% sure that they will not recommend every plane that is slightly delayed getting onto stand to call "not yet on stand"
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In all your years with QF can you honestly say you heard any aircraft call "not yet on the gate" if they had to pause shortly and maybe obstruct a taxyway?
I understand where you are coming from of course but to say it is bad airmanship on the part of the CRJ crew is incorrect.
I expect you have had your perspective warped slightly from all those years operating from Aus airports where the ATC like to do things slightly differently to the rest of the world as they know better.
I understand where you are coming from of course but to say it is bad airmanship on the part of the CRJ crew is incorrect.
I expect you have had your perspective warped slightly from all those years operating from Aus airports where the ATC like to do things slightly differently to the rest of the world as they know better.
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Sorry Joe, not QF, I just live here! One major ME carrier and one major Asian carrier, two significant UK carriers.
Just finished reading the thread in R & N, quite a few people seem to agree that telling someone you are not clear of the taxiway, or stopped short of your correct parking position is a good idea.
Not sure if it was the last time it happened but I do remember being asked, at LHR, to call clear of the taxiway and entering the parking area early one morning. Never bothered to ask why, it is the guys in the tower/ramp control/GMC that have the big picture, not the pilot of just one aircraft.
I beg to differ.
Just finished reading the thread in R & N, quite a few people seem to agree that telling someone you are not clear of the taxiway, or stopped short of your correct parking position is a good idea.
Not sure if it was the last time it happened but I do remember being asked, at LHR, to call clear of the taxiway and entering the parking area early one morning. Never bothered to ask why, it is the guys in the tower/ramp control/GMC that have the big picture, not the pilot of just one aircraft.
to say it is bad airmanship on the part of the CRJ crew is incorrect.
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I understand where you are coming from of course but to say it is bad airmanship on the part of the CRJ crew is incorrect.
I beg to differ.
The stationary object can not run into the moving object!
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