AA 777 out of JFK in "near-miss" with USAF C-17s
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AA 777 out of JFK in "near-miss" with USAF C-17s
It was plane scary - Near-hit out of JFK
Source: Scary near-miss over Atlantic for American Airlines flight from Kennedy to Brazil - NYPOST.com
An American Airlines jetliner came within a half-mile of two giant military cargo planes in a harrowing near-collision over the Atlantic two weeks ago, investigators said yesterday.
Errors by Long Island-based air controllers and the jetliner's pilot are suspected in the incident, an air-control source told The Post.
American Flight 951, bound for Sao Paulo, Brazil, took off at 10:23 p.m. from Kennedy Airport on Jan. 20.
Minutes later, about 80 miles southeast of New York, the Boeing 777 came within 200 feet vertically and 2,000 feet horizontally of two Air Force C17 Globemaster cargo planes heading northwest toward McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey, the air-control source said.
The Boeing jet was traveling at 400 mph at the time of the incident, according to radar data on the Web site FlightAware.com. At that speed, it could have closed the distance to the military jets in mere seconds.
At 10:35 p.m., 12 minutes into its flight, the 777 briefly slowed down and suddenly turned to the south, as if it were avoiding a collision.
The three planes were close enough to trigger a Traffic Collision Avoidance System, or TCAS, alert on the American Airlines jet, the National Transportation Safety Board said.
The incident also triggered automatic alerts to the FAA's New York Center, which oversees that area of the Atlantic Ocean. With the alert and the controllers' guidance, the planes avoided a collision, the NTSB said.
Within minutes of the incident, the American plane resumed its course, the radar data show. No one aboard any of the planes was injured.
Controllers in the New York Center, in Ronkonkoma, LI, were briefed on the incident Thursday.
The NTSB says it has already interviewed the controllers involved and is still gathering information from the Air Force and the airline.
A spokesman said the Air Force was cooperating with the NTSB investigation. American Airlines declined to comment.
In a statement, the FAA said: "All air-traffic operational personnel at New York Center are already reviewing a variety of procedures including the handling of formation flights, aircraft near sector boundaries and TCAS requirements."
Source: Scary near-miss over Atlantic for American Airlines flight from Kennedy to Brazil - NYPOST.com
An American Airlines jetliner came within a half-mile of two giant military cargo planes in a harrowing near-collision over the Atlantic two weeks ago, investigators said yesterday.
Errors by Long Island-based air controllers and the jetliner's pilot are suspected in the incident, an air-control source told The Post.
American Flight 951, bound for Sao Paulo, Brazil, took off at 10:23 p.m. from Kennedy Airport on Jan. 20.
Minutes later, about 80 miles southeast of New York, the Boeing 777 came within 200 feet vertically and 2,000 feet horizontally of two Air Force C17 Globemaster cargo planes heading northwest toward McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey, the air-control source said.
The Boeing jet was traveling at 400 mph at the time of the incident, according to radar data on the Web site FlightAware.com. At that speed, it could have closed the distance to the military jets in mere seconds.
At 10:35 p.m., 12 minutes into its flight, the 777 briefly slowed down and suddenly turned to the south, as if it were avoiding a collision.
The three planes were close enough to trigger a Traffic Collision Avoidance System, or TCAS, alert on the American Airlines jet, the National Transportation Safety Board said.
The incident also triggered automatic alerts to the FAA's New York Center, which oversees that area of the Atlantic Ocean. With the alert and the controllers' guidance, the planes avoided a collision, the NTSB said.
Within minutes of the incident, the American plane resumed its course, the radar data show. No one aboard any of the planes was injured.
Controllers in the New York Center, in Ronkonkoma, LI, were briefed on the incident Thursday.
The NTSB says it has already interviewed the controllers involved and is still gathering information from the Air Force and the airline.
A spokesman said the Air Force was cooperating with the NTSB investigation. American Airlines declined to comment.
In a statement, the FAA said: "All air-traffic operational personnel at New York Center are already reviewing a variety of procedures including the handling of formation flights, aircraft near sector boundaries and TCAS requirements."
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AA 777 out of JFK in "near-miss" with USAF C-17s
The link below is possibly the least hysterical of the media's offering, but in summary on Jan 20th an AA 777 out of JFK en-route to Sao Paulo got a TCAS alert about 80 miles south east of New York at 20,000ft triggered by a pair of USAF C-17 crossing within 500ft and a mile, while they (the C-17s)were en-route to McGuire AFB, New Jersey. The proximity details came from an AA spokesperson in other sources.
Passenger plane, military jets in near miss: officials - Yahoo! News
Passenger plane, military jets in near miss: officials - Yahoo! News
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American Plane and Air Force Jets in Near Miss
I did not see this posted earlier.
American Plane and Air Force Jets in Near Miss - AOL Travel News
A near-miss between an American Airlines passenger airplane and two Air Force cargo jets flying in formation is being investigated by the NTSB.
In a statement, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said the near-miss occurred on Jan. 20, and involved an American 777-200 headed to Sao Paulo, Brazil from New York's John F. Kennedy Airport, and military jets flying towards McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey.
American Flight 951 and the cargo planes came dangerously close, safety officials said. Radar showed the planes within a mile of each other, seconds from a mid-air collision.
American Plane and Air Force Jets in Near Miss - AOL Travel News
A near-miss between an American Airlines passenger airplane and two Air Force cargo jets flying in formation is being investigated by the NTSB.
In a statement, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said the near-miss occurred on Jan. 20, and involved an American 777-200 headed to Sao Paulo, Brazil from New York's John F. Kennedy Airport, and military jets flying towards McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey.
American Flight 951 and the cargo planes came dangerously close, safety officials said. Radar showed the planes within a mile of each other, seconds from a mid-air collision.
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In the three times I've gotten an RA, I've always worried that it was a formation.
I've seen guys blow off an RA, saying "I've got him in sight." Well, maybe you've got his wingman in sight.....
I've seen guys blow off an RA, saying "I've got him in sight." Well, maybe you've got his wingman in sight.....
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In the tactical jet community, while in close formation, wingmen generally do not squawk. At least in the 'old days' that is the way it was.
Keeps from confusing ATC unduly.
Keeps from confusing ATC unduly.
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Near miss south of JFK
Many news articles have shown up over the last several days describing a very near miss between an AA 777 leaving JFK and two C-17s descending towards McGuire AFB in New Jersey. What seems to be described is a situation where different controllers were responsible for these aircraft. Is it common for two controllers to be responsible for the same air space? Or was this just an issue that arose at the boundary of two sectors?
Close calls in the skies: FAA reporting methods questioned
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/05/ny...irlines&st=cse
Planes Nearly Collide Midair
Close calls in the skies: FAA reporting methods questioned
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/05/ny...irlines&st=cse
Planes Nearly Collide Midair
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The Facts - As Reported by the NTSB
The National Transportation Safety Board has been investigating an operational error that occurred near New York City in January.
The Safety Board was notified of a Traffic Collision and Alerting System (TCAS) resolution advisory that occurred due to a near midair collision involving American Airlines flight 951 on January 20, 2011, at about 10:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. The American Airlines aircraft, a Boeing 777-200 (N7CA), had taken off from John F. Kennedy International Airport en route to Sao Paulo, Brazil and was flying southeast. A flight of two U.S. Air Force C-17s was heading northwest toward McGuire Air Force Base, New Jersey. There were no injuries in the incident.
The NTSB has interviewed air traffic controllers on duty at the time of the incident, and is gathering information from American Airlines and the Air Force.
The air traffic controllers talking to each of the aircraft received conflict alerts, and immediately provided traffic advisories and turned their aircraft to resolve the conflict. In addition, the American Airlines crew responded to directions provided by TCAS. Radar data indicate that the aircraft came within a mile of each other at their closest point. The incident occurred about 80 miles southeast of New York City.
Betty Koschig has been designated the NTSB's Investigator-in-Charge for this incident. Further information will be released as it becomes available.
The Safety Board was notified of a Traffic Collision and Alerting System (TCAS) resolution advisory that occurred due to a near midair collision involving American Airlines flight 951 on January 20, 2011, at about 10:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. The American Airlines aircraft, a Boeing 777-200 (N7CA), had taken off from John F. Kennedy International Airport en route to Sao Paulo, Brazil and was flying southeast. A flight of two U.S. Air Force C-17s was heading northwest toward McGuire Air Force Base, New Jersey. There were no injuries in the incident.
The NTSB has interviewed air traffic controllers on duty at the time of the incident, and is gathering information from American Airlines and the Air Force.
The air traffic controllers talking to each of the aircraft received conflict alerts, and immediately provided traffic advisories and turned their aircraft to resolve the conflict. In addition, the American Airlines crew responded to directions provided by TCAS. Radar data indicate that the aircraft came within a mile of each other at their closest point. The incident occurred about 80 miles southeast of New York City.
Betty Koschig has been designated the NTSB's Investigator-in-Charge for this incident. Further information will be released as it becomes available.
How is a mile separation "a very near miss" when not discussing nuclear weapons or supersonic flight? 
Was it nose to nose closure in IFR?
Was it nose to nose closure in IFR?
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How is a mile separation "a very near miss"
As George Carline has pointed out, it is a very "near hit"!
And it also isn't
Separation.
That has been lost. Called Loss of Separation. And a mile is just way too close.
Nic
