747-400`s future
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747 forever:
Please take this message to heart: Big airplanes and small markets do not go together. Empty seats do not pay the bills. If this is too difficult a lesson, do not plan a career in business administration.
so people say that long haul planes that can serve small airports are good. What if there was a plane that can fly long haul, serve small airports and can carry lots and lots of passengers. Would that be good? Something like the A380 but can land and takeoff from a small airport like the 787? I thought that would be good
It is a falsehood to say that the A380 is only good for high density City pairs.
It is already being used in a different role by the leading operator of type. It is a major feed aircraft into their hub, with very few of the passengers staying in DXB but connecting onto their other routes operated by other aircraft types.
As for the 747, it is an old design now and would need substantial changes to it's structure and also its evacuation procedures if being designed today. The 747-8 will likely be a good freighter if they ever sort out its fluter problems, but the pax variant doesn't seem to have much of a future.
Nice aircraft in its day, but noisy to travel in now when compared to modern designs, excepting the B777 which has high noise levels in the cabin. I like the B777 in all ways except its high airframe noise in the cabin.
It is already being used in a different role by the leading operator of type. It is a major feed aircraft into their hub, with very few of the passengers staying in DXB but connecting onto their other routes operated by other aircraft types.
As for the 747, it is an old design now and would need substantial changes to it's structure and also its evacuation procedures if being designed today. The 747-8 will likely be a good freighter if they ever sort out its fluter problems, but the pax variant doesn't seem to have much of a future.
Nice aircraft in its day, but noisy to travel in now when compared to modern designs, excepting the B777 which has high noise levels in the cabin. I like the B777 in all ways except its high airframe noise in the cabin.
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ops, I forgot to mention, High capacity BUT less frequent. Maybe once a week carrying 500 passengers at once. That is quite efficient in lots of ways. I mean people like frequent flights BUT the 787 is small. Can it have a bar, shower, exercise room etc? The 747-8s design of the sky loft was excellent! It could of had that. That would totally as a passenger beat the 787. Would you rather fly a boring small plane OR a big plane with showers or other luxurious things mentioned
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Travelers count their time as valuable. If they have the choice of taking
A) a smaller craft this morning,
B) a similar flight this evening, or
C) waiting until next Thursday to fly a 747 (or even a Concorde), which will they elect?
A) a smaller craft this morning,
B) a similar flight this evening, or
C) waiting until next Thursday to fly a 747 (or even a Concorde), which will they elect?
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Is that right? I'm interested to know and understand the logic. The 747-100 was the first 747 variant in a long line over 40-odd years and sold about 165 units. The A380-800 as it stands today is the first variant of the A380 and has sold 244 units. Who is to say that it won't spawn whole series of additional variants over the next 35 years in the same way as the 747 did (747SP, 747-200, 747SUD, 747D, 747-300, 747-400, 747-8i to count only the passenger variants)?
The 747 was a niche aircraft once, too. But cities got bigger, people got richer and more willing/able to travel and the 707 was soon dead.
The A380 is not a 744 replacement as it only serves a niche market and is unlikely to ever be produced in the same numbers as the B747.
The 747 was a niche aircraft once, too. But cities got bigger, people got richer and more willing/able to travel and the 707 was soon dead.
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look my point is, its not like each flight is going to be full capacity. Its a small city. If you do it once or twice a week it will be full, more economical and more environmentally friendly. Also keep in mind, luxurious flight, small planes are lame
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yeah its 15 years but the ones in Japan here fly very short routes. Its at the end of its cycle. JAL already sent 3 away and later more is to go
Again, timeliness was the market appeal. No waiting for next Thursday's flight. How much sense would a 747 make there?
EDIT: Just noticed the 50th anniversary of the EAL Air Shuttle will be 30 April 2011.
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Also few questions about cycles.
1) if a plane is stored does the cycles get higher or remain nutural?
2) how many years would 100000 hours be (exactly 11 years but planes last more than that) for an average plane as there life span is that. But how long in years would an average commercial planes cycle be in years?
1) if a plane is stored does the cycles get higher or remain nutural?
2) how many years would 100000 hours be (exactly 11 years but planes last more than that) for an average plane as there life span is that. But how long in years would an average commercial planes cycle be in years?
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when would we see biofuel being used for every flight? There has been many tests and I think biofuel has proven itself. When will they be used in every plane? You see the problem with clean airtravel is that there cant be electric airliners. Way to imposible, but in my opinion biofuel is the fututre for clean airtavel with jet engines
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1) if a plane is stored does the cycles get higher or remain nutural?
2) how many years would 100000 hours be (exactly 11 years but planes last more than that) for an average plane as there life span is that. But how long in years would an average commercial planes cycle be in years?
And short-haul ops might average 1 hour per cycle. Long-haul might be 6-8 hours per cycle. Depends on the route system.
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when would we see biofuel being used for every flight?
I'm glad you're asking these very basic questions, 747 forever, because people outside the industry often have no grasp of the fundamentals.
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have you lot tried
it's amusing to see you all squabble over airline economics and big vs small. For any budding airline moguls out there I play a superb little airline simulator at AirwaySim Airline Game - Online Airline Management Simulation. It's fantastically realistically changing fuel, airplane models and route demand as time goes by...
I've no financial interest in the gane, just really enjoy playing it even though I do normally go bankrupt against far better players..
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I've no financial interest in the gane, just really enjoy playing it even though I do normally go bankrupt against far better players..
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I play airline tycoon 2 on my iphone! But yeah fuel price and plane models stay the same. Sucks because airlines buy many new planes, do you think they will still sell and old 737 in 2050. I have 50 737s in my fleet and its 2060! I guess I should play that
