B.B.C. Ceefax
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B.B.C. Ceefax
Anyone know why Gatwick Arrival/Departures are not being shown on above . Not weather related, as a friend informs that that it has been so for the last fortnight at least.Just nosey.
The Ceefax page states you should instead phone a premium rate telephone line (an 0844 number). This gives Gatwick revenue. Ceefax pages do not.
Maybe they can spend the extra money on some new snowploughs. No, thought not .....
Maybe they can spend the extra money on some new snowploughs. No, thought not .....
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I was in a Crawley Hotel on Wednesday and tried to find Ceefax Travel pages and got a message which said something along the lines of 'This information is no longer made available to the BBC.'.
0844 is not a premium rate number when called from inside the UK from a landline. It's a standard rate non-geographic number and is charged as a local call, regardless of the origin/destination.
087x are premium, and 09x are super premium (usually chat lines etc).
0844 is not a premium rate number when called from inside the UK from a landline. It's a standard rate non-geographic number and is charged as a local call, regardless of the origin/destination.
087x are premium, and 09x are super premium (usually chat lines etc).
From the actual suppliers of 0844 phone numbers :
"We are now recommending that all customers looking for revenue share on national rate numbers choose 0844 rather than 0845 numbers."
0844 numbers | 0844 phone number providers
"We are now recommending that all customers looking for revenue share on national rate numbers choose 0844 rather than 0845 numbers."
0844 numbers | 0844 phone number providers
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CEEFAX is being withdrawn
But with the exception of LGW, most arrivals data is also on Freeview from P440 mirroring the old CEEFAX pages. Interestingly LCY has the same owner as LGW but is still available.
Short sighted decision making life needlessly difficult for people sadly.
Short sighted decision making life needlessly difficult for people sadly.
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But all the Gatwick flight info is free on-line....
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I'm afraid LGW is in decline. During the recent disruption they also decided to not give flight info on their website ? 
Having used and still using it (No choice) the WHOLE set up and confusion ALWAYS figures at LGW. The security, the stupid finger where you're fighting with the arriving pax, people with attitude, constant lying...etc etc....
I think it ALL boils down to jobsworth unskilled management ?
Having used and still using it (No choice) the WHOLE set up and confusion ALWAYS figures at LGW. The security, the stupid finger where you're fighting with the arriving pax, people with attitude, constant lying...etc etc....
I think it ALL boils down to jobsworth unskilled management ?
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Clarification :
0844 numbers cost up to five pence per minute at all times. The rate remains the same no matter what time of day they are called. These numbers are classed as low call rate numbers and are cheaper for the caller than national rate numbers or premium rate 0870 or 0871 numbers. Ofcom have stated 0844 numbers are not to be affected by any planned 08 changes.
0845 numbers are charged at a local rate, which is 3.4p peak rate, 1.7p evening & 0.6p on weekends. This is the same rate that many callers pay for landline calls which have come down in price since pre-deregulation.
0844 numbers cost up to five pence per minute at all times. The rate remains the same no matter what time of day they are called. These numbers are classed as low call rate numbers and are cheaper for the caller than national rate numbers or premium rate 0870 or 0871 numbers. Ofcom have stated 0844 numbers are not to be affected by any planned 08 changes.
0845 numbers are charged at a local rate, which is 3.4p peak rate, 1.7p evening & 0.6p on weekends. This is the same rate that many callers pay for landline calls which have come down in price since pre-deregulation.
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Quite by chance, saw this on AERBT - An Executive Review of Business Travel
BBC TV viewers, both digital and analogue will not find Gatwick comings and goings shown on the airport part of the travel information.
Now this does not mean that Gatwick has closed down or gone into cyberspace. What has happened is quite deliberate.
The airport says that as part of Gatwick's separation from BAA they have been looking at its IT systems and data feeds to assess which ones would benefit from improvement. According to the airport the accuracy of the service provided via Ceefax and BBC Digital wasn't as up-to-date as required for passengers. Given that the BBC is soon to discontinue its analogue services, it took the decision to discontinue the live flight information service.
Gatwick is exploring options with the BBC through their new digital services, expected to launch shortly after the analogue switch off. Over 700,000 passengers monthly use the Gatwick website to check flight times every month, both from their homes and also on mobile phones. For passengers who may not have internet access, the automated telephone service +44 (0)844 335 1802 provides the latest live flight information. The BBC also offers an information service for delayed flights. BBC - Travel News - Air (UK airports) Gatwick Airport | Parking, Hotels, Flight Information & Duty Free
Now this does not mean that Gatwick has closed down or gone into cyberspace. What has happened is quite deliberate.
The airport says that as part of Gatwick's separation from BAA they have been looking at its IT systems and data feeds to assess which ones would benefit from improvement. According to the airport the accuracy of the service provided via Ceefax and BBC Digital wasn't as up-to-date as required for passengers. Given that the BBC is soon to discontinue its analogue services, it took the decision to discontinue the live flight information service.
Gatwick is exploring options with the BBC through their new digital services, expected to launch shortly after the analogue switch off. Over 700,000 passengers monthly use the Gatwick website to check flight times every month, both from their homes and also on mobile phones. For passengers who may not have internet access, the automated telephone service +44 (0)844 335 1802 provides the latest live flight information. The BBC also offers an information service for delayed flights. BBC - Travel News - Air (UK airports) Gatwick Airport | Parking, Hotels, Flight Information & Duty Free
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I like the way the new management say that the BBC's service was not good enough.
I regularly look at arrivals/departure boards as I (try to) maintain a list of flight numbers and their call-signs. Gatwicks is bar far the most often 'information not available'.
I have just had a look now and departures are not showing. They seem to really struggle when flights get delayed more than 24 hours and therefore two examples of the same flight number appear, i.e. Monday and Tuesday's departure.
Andy S
I regularly look at arrivals/departure boards as I (try to) maintain a list of flight numbers and their call-signs. Gatwicks is bar far the most often 'information not available'.
I have just had a look now and departures are not showing. They seem to really struggle when flights get delayed more than 24 hours and therefore two examples of the same flight number appear, i.e. Monday and Tuesday's departure.
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So we are all encouraged to check info on web sites. Except we now know that at times like now, when there is very heavy traffic to sites like travel info, they fall over as they cannot handle the traffic. Wonderful. Does none of these bright sparks who come up with all these modern theories ever check them out first that they work in all situations?
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I take in the comment about not everyone having access to broadband (I do not have a blackberry - the roaming charges are too high) but I would recommend Track Flight Status, Airport Delays and other Flight and Airport Information . The main advantage is that it has a facility to suppress codeshare flights. This is probably less of an issue at Gatwick but dire at Heathrow.
The homepage has a map showing airports with significant delays which you might find interesting
If you set up a user account you can get information several days back and even cut & paste into excel (if you are into things like that).
The downside is that you have to load each hour separately if there is a lot of data and it can be a bit clunky.
I think that there are tracker sites out there as well. Other ppruners may have their favourite.
The homepage has a map showing airports with significant delays which you might find interesting
If you set up a user account you can get information several days back and even cut & paste into excel (if you are into things like that).
The downside is that you have to load each hour separately if there is a lot of data and it can be a bit clunky.
I think that there are tracker sites out there as well. Other ppruners may have their favourite.
